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Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« on: January 06, 2018, 04:01:59 PM »

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2018, 04:12:16 PM »
Well then...what's this?
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY2/history/20180106/0600Z/KEWR/LLBG
they don't usually fly on shabbos but they have flown on shabbos before when there were delays

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2018, 04:42:33 PM »
El Al is bichlal not Shomer Shabbos. They're offices are open 24/7. They just "officially" don't fly on Shabbos which is true more than 99% of the time. But there can be exceptions....

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2018, 04:58:41 PM »
El Al is bichlal not Shomer Shabbos. They're offices are open 24/7. They just "officially" don't fly on Shabbos which is true more than 99% of the time. But there can be exceptions....
They do have regularly scheduled flights which board on Shabbos, especially in the summer. But officially they don't FLY on Shabbos - when they think nobody is looking.

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2018, 05:36:51 PM »
Btw, there must be some mistake here. LY 2 takes off from JFK while this shows from EWR.

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2018, 06:08:25 PM »
Btw, there must be some mistake here. LY 2 takes off from JFK while this shows from EWR.
JFK was closed Thursday so LY7 diverted to EWR and returned on shabbos as LY 2

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2018, 06:47:06 PM »
JFK was closed Thursday so LY7 diverted to EWR and returned on shabbos as LY 2
Flew empty?
They first scheduled LY2 2 for tonight 6:55 pm  and then canceled it

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2018, 07:51:38 PM »
Once heard בשם Yankel Miller: ElAl definitely flies on Shabbos, as he once flew ElAl and asked for a Birchas Hamozen and it said בשבת אומרים רצה

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2018, 08:26:52 PM »
El Al is bichlal not Shomer Shabbos. They're offices are open 24/7. They just "officially" don't fly on Shabbos which is true more than 99% of the time. But there can be exceptions....
well shabbos is only 14%...

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2018, 08:27:47 PM »
Once heard בשם Yankel Miller: ElAl definitely flies on Shabbos, as he once flew ElAl and asked for a Birchas Hamozen and it said בשבת אומרים רצה
that's probably them knowing the jews will all steal the benchers.

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2018, 09:39:11 PM »
They do have regularly scheduled flights which board on Shabbos, especially in the summer. But officially they don't FLY on Shabbos - when they think nobody is looking.
Their point is that they don't have flights scheduled for Shabbos or first day Yomtov.

That doesn't make them Shomer Shabbos, but at least there's not the chillul hashem of scheduling flights by a Jewish owned airline for Shabbos.
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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2018, 12:27:12 PM »
NO SUCH FLIGHT--LY002 FROM EWR!!!
JFK was closed Thursday so LY7 diverted to EWR and returned on shabbos as LY 2

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2018, 12:31:05 PM »
NO SUCH FLIGHT--LY002 FROM EWR!!!
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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2018, 12:34:49 PM »
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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2018, 12:49:53 PM »
El Al is bichlal not Shomer Shabbos. They're offices are open 24/7. They just "officially" don't fly on Shabbos which is true more than 99% of the time. But there can be exceptions....
Exactly.

See also, https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/707558-if-elal-don-t-fly-shabbat-then-how-come-3.html
and https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/el-al-may-not-break-shabbat-but-its-pilots-and-planes-do.premium-1.513202

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2018, 01:18:31 PM »
Exactly.

See also, https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/707558-if-elal-don-t-fly-shabbat-then-how-come-3.html
and https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/el-al-may-not-break-shabbat-but-its-pilots-and-planes-do.premium-1.513202
They do have regularly scheduled flights which board on Shabbos, especially in the summer. But officially they don't FLY on Shabbos - when they think nobody is looking.
Look for example ZRH-TLV. Shabbos is over in the summer around 10:30 in ZRH.
TLV-CDG Shabbos is over around 8:30 in TLV in the summer.

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2018, 01:36:19 PM »
Last year my father had a motzai shabbos flight with elal and the pushed the take off time a little earlier leaving no nine to make it to EWR on time for the flight so he called them and complained about them officially not flying on shabbos and now he can’t even make it to the airport on time and they switch his flight for free to the Thursday before

My point is they officially don’t take off on shabbos but all the preparation does happen on shabbos

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2018, 01:40:16 PM »
Their point is that they don't have flights scheduled for Shabbos or first day Yomtov.

That doesn't make them Shomer Shabbos, but at least there's not the chillul hashem of scheduling flights by a Jewish owned airline for Shabbos.

agav Eged bus service in Israel also officially doesn’t have service on shabbos they just end shabbos early at 4pm (all year round)

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2018, 01:48:54 PM »
Last year my father had a motzai shabbos flight with elal and the pushed the take off time a little earlier leaving no nine to make it to EWR on time for the flight so he called them and complained about them officially not flying on shabbos and now he can’t even make it to the airport on time and they switch his flight for free to the Thursday before

My point is they officially don’t take off on shabbos but all the preparation does happen on shabbos
We've discussed this before on DDF (leave it to @TimT to come up with the מראי מקומות), but taking a Motzoei Shabbos flight with ELAL other than in the winter, is a question for your LOR.
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