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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2018, 01:53:20 PM »
We've discussed this before on DDF (leave it to @TimT to come up with the מראי מקומות), but taking a Motzoei Shabbos flight with ELAL other than in the winter, is a question for your LOR.
Why is it a question? What is the question?

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2018, 02:00:10 PM »
also dont they have a flight to london city on shabbos ??

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2018, 02:02:06 PM »
Why is it a question? What is the question?
Whether one is allowed to fly on ELAL on Motzoei Shabbos when flight is only a few hours after Shabbos is over, as it definitely requires chilul shabbos.
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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2018, 02:16:07 PM »
Whether one is allowed to fly on ELAL on Motzoei Shabbos when flight is only a few hours after Shabbos is over, as it definitely requires chilul shabbos.
To clarify, it causes others to be mechalel Shabbos potentially for you.

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2018, 03:06:33 PM »
To clarify, it causes others to be mechalel Shabbos potentially for you.
But they’re doing it regardless of you....

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2018, 03:11:39 PM »
But they’re doing it regardless of you....
You have now entered stage 1 of the whole question. It's not as simple as it seems.
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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2018, 03:13:05 PM »
But they’re doing it regardless of you....
You mean like when the person going over the manifest clicks on your name to see that everything is in order they'd do that regardless of you flying?

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2018, 03:14:49 PM »
You mean like when the person going over the manifest clicks on your name to see that everything is in order they'd do that regardless of you flying?
My name or a different name he’s doing it regardless

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2018, 03:17:06 PM »
But they’re doing it regardless of you....
so what? There is an איסור הנאה of a מלאכה done by a Jew on shabbos במזיד. Especially when his intention is to make money from it. Same as electricity on shabbos in Israel, where the only heter is that they also work for פיקוח נפש. Sorry if I went off topic...

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2018, 03:25:58 PM »
My name or a different name he’s doing it regardless
How do you figure, without you there is 255 pax -255 names to check. With you it's 256 that's an extra click.

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2018, 04:01:12 PM »
But they’re doing it regardless of you....
Which is why I said this is a question that should be asked of your LOR.

I personally have no problem, as they are currently on my do not fly list. But for my family members who are willing to fly with them, I wouldn't book Motzoei Shabbos flight without checking with a LOR that I trust.
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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2018, 04:04:44 PM »
so what? There is an איסור הנאה of a מלאכה done by a Jew on shabbos במזיד. Especially when his intention is to make money from it. Same as electricity on shabbos in Israel, where the only heter is that they also work for פיקוח נפש. Sorry if I went off topic...
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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2018, 09:56:45 AM »
Their point is that they don't have flights scheduled for Shabbos or first day Yomtov.

That doesn't make them Shomer Shabbos, but at least there's not the chillul hashem of scheduling flights by a Jewish owned airline for Shabbos.

What make's Elal a "Jewish owned" airline? It's publicly traded. How do you know who the shareholders are?


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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2018, 09:57:44 AM »
What make's Elal a "Jewish owned" airline? It's publicly traded. How do you know who the shareholders are?
Don't harp on the wording. The point remains true.
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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2018, 09:58:12 AM »
Officially they don't Land or Take off from TLV.

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2018, 01:01:23 PM »
Officially they don't Land or Take off from TLV.
That particular flight from EWR did not land in TLV until a couple of hours after Shabbos. I guess they thought nobody would notice them taking off at 3 AM Friday night. 

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2018, 10:59:52 PM »
That particular flight from EWR did not land in TLV until a couple of hours after Shabbos. I guess they thought nobody would notice them taking off at 3 AM Friday night.
They do fly on Shabbos, the agreement was that they won't Take off or Land in TLV on Shabbos.

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2018, 11:51:23 PM »
They do fly on Shabbos, the agreement was that they won't Take off or Land in TLV on Shabbos.
Example?

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2018, 12:36:53 AM »
Example?
Not sure, don't really know their routes,
But from what I heard is that the actual flying wasn't included in the agreement.

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Re: Elal doesn't fly on Shabbos?
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2018, 03:16:40 AM »
Not sure, don't really know their routes,
But from what I heard is that the actual flying wasn't included in the agreement.
With?