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Discussion About The Rare Award Space Master Thread
« on: January 09, 2018, 12:23:13 AM »
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Re: Discussion About The Rare Award Space Master Thread
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2018, 12:23:48 AM »
2 "J" Class Quantas BNE-LAX Feb 16 (Alaska 55K points) Ask your local rabbi if flight flies during shabbos.
Leaves 11:30 AM and arrives 6:00 AM
Flight hits Shabbos on the way, prob a no-no for most.
http://www.chaitables.com/cgi-bin/chai.exe/?from=26&frommonth=2&fromday=16&fromyear=2018&fromhour=11&fromminute=30&fromdst=&to=73&tomonth=2&today=16&toyear=2018&tohour=6&tominute=0&todst=&from_timezone=-200&24hr=
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Re: Discussion About The Rare Award Space Master Thread
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2018, 12:32:23 AM »
Flight hits Shabbos on the way, prob a no-no for most.
http://www.chaitables.com/cgi-bin/chai.exe/?from=26&frommonth=2&fromday=16&fromyear=2018&fromhour=11&fromminute=30&fromdst=&to=73&tomonth=2&today=16&toyear=2018&tohour=6&tominute=0&todst=&from_timezone=-200&24hr=
Ha! just this second posted another thread if any body remembers the website that checks routes

Had a KE fight that left Friday 10:00 AM and arrived 10:00 AM in NY. Chabad Shaliach in Seoul (great Guy) told me that I might be flying on shabbos. I checked that website and sure enough it flew upwards to Russia and flew thru shabbos for approx 15 minutes. Not to get into details, but my Rov told me its ok based on numerous circumstances (not for now) and in the future I should be careful about booking such a flight.

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Re: Discussion About The Rare Award Space Master Thread
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2018, 12:36:29 AM »
Ha! just this second posted another thread if any body remembers the website that checks routes

Had a KE fight that left Friday 10:00 AM and arrived 10:00 AM in NY. Chabad Shaliach in Seoul (great Guy) told me that I might be flying on shabbos. I checked that website and sure enough it flew upwards to Russia and flew thru shabbos for approx 15 minutes. Not to get into details, but my Rov told me its ok based on numerous circumstances (not for now) and in the future I should be careful about booking such a flight.

On a side note, I met what appeared to be a serious frum elderly couple, who the husband was sitting and learning the whole time and she woudnt look at me etc, and I told him this flight flies on shabbos, and he replied that I dont know what Im talking about. I tod him Chabad Rabbi who lives here knows this flight and told me it flies on shabbos and we verified it by tracker. "Eh, you know Chabad rabbis and their mishagasin"...(im sure he had no problem eating by chabad rabbis)
I showed hm on Google that the Star K has a whole article about such flights and specifically quotes this KE flight...."Eh Star K Modern Orthodox Rabbis, what do they know")

Oh well, sometimes you just go tot know when to give up and let them win their arguments...

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Re: Discussion About The Rare Award Space Master Thread
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2018, 12:41:14 AM »
Either way, I asked and was told to avoid that situation and stayed the weekend for that reason.
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Re: Discussion About The Rare Award Space Master Thread
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2018, 12:47:55 AM »
Cna you explain how to read that chart? how can you tell when its shabbos?
If the plane flies exactly on the great circle and if it leaves exactly on time, then shkia will begin 4 hr and 33 min into the flight.
It then offers the variables if the flight is delayed, but it can't offer variables if the flight doesn't stay exactly on the great circle path.
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Re: Discussion About The Rare Award Space Master Thread
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2018, 12:56:05 AM »
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Re: Discussion About The Rare Award Space Master Thread
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2018, 03:05:12 AM »
If the plane flies exactly on the great circle and if it leaves exactly on time, then shkia will begin 4 hr and 33 min into the flight.
So you’ll be flying on shabbos?

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Re: Discussion About The Rare Award Space Master Thread
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2018, 08:46:34 AM »
On a side note, I met what appeared to be a serious frum elderly couple, who the husband was sitting and learning the whole time and she woudnt look at me etc, and I told him this flight flies on shabbos, and he replied that I dont know what Im talking about. I tod him Chabad Rabbi who lives here knows this flight and told me it flies on shabbos and we verified it by tracker. "Eh, you know Chabad rabbis and their mishagasin"...(im sure he had no problem eating by chabad rabbis)
I showed hm on Google that the Star K has a whole article about such flights and specifically quotes this KE flight...."Eh Star K Modern Orthodox Rabbis, what do they know")

Oh well, sometimes you just go tot know when to give up and let them win their arguments...

My Rabbi told me that as long as I get on the plane on Shabbos, I could technically fly on Shabbos as long as I avoided melacha and could disembark with all my stuff and wait in the airport until Shabbos is over. YMMV on this psak. It wasn't for an emergency flight of any kind, it was a theoretical discussion. I've never done it though.

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Re: Discussion About The Rare Award Space Master Thread
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2018, 09:24:57 AM »
You are right if you fly over a place where is Shabbat you just have to be seated and avoid to do any melucha

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Re: Discussion About The Rare Award Space Master Thread
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2018, 10:12:29 AM »
You are right if you fly over a place where is Shabbat you just have to be seated and avoid to do any melucha
It's not simple at all to know when exactly Shabbos ends and begins with timeline issues. You're really going to remain seated for 5-12 hours on a TPAC flight?
Hardly a lechatchila situation.
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Re: Discussion About The Rare Award Space Master Thread
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2018, 10:12:54 AM »
Didn't even need @aygart to turn this into a halachic discussion.
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Re: Discussion About The Rare Award Space Master Thread
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2018, 11:15:21 AM »
You are right if you fly over a place where is Shabbat you just have to be seated and avoid to do any melucha

Why remain seating? That wasn't part of his stipulation.

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Re: Discussion About The Rare Award Space Master Thread
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2018, 11:27:51 AM »
Why remain seating? That wasn't part of his stipulation.
Well, opening the door to the suite can be an issue. Going to the bathroom, taking a shower, moving the seat, sometimes opening the tray. There are many parts of a plane that have sensors.
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