How do U define yourself, what does it mean & how would you like to see your kid

[Definitions2]

Don’t leave us hanging @Definitions2

I'll try not to. I feel slightly uncomfortable at times and feel like it should be a private conversation. These conversations take up a lot of brain space for me. And I work on sunday's too

I have no doubt that it was 100% muttar. If you don't mind I want to reverse the question back to you.
Why wouldn't anybody of stature do that today (with his wife)?

For example the story of Dovid and Avishag you struggle with. There are great explanations given for it although usually above our paygrade to grasp fully. The fact that things of that nature wouldn't fit well for frum people in our generations can also be said about other things we see in Tanach and Chazal. Obviously the purity and holiness of the giants of those times is beyond comprehension for you but at the time it was of no concern for anyone to say s'past nisht.

I don't have any reason to believe that people were bigger in past generations.


ETA: also I don't want people with netfree to get blocked from this board. Although I think @mevinyavin just posted that it got blocked for addictive sites?

Maybe we should move this over to just shmooze or via PM

[aygart]

I don't have any reason to believe that people were bigger in past generations.

If for no other reason, yetzias mizrayim and matan torah were extremely inspiring events as were the various miracles described in navi. Those who lived in those times had to have felt the reality of Hashem more than we do.

[Definitions2]

If for no other reason, yetzias mizrayim and matan torah were extremely inspiring events as were the various miracles described in navi. Those who lived in those times had to have felt the reality of Hashem more than we do.

Good point. Agreed.
But that's an external factor not internal.

[ExGingi]

If for no other reason, yetzias mizrayim and matan torah were extremely inspiring events as were the various miracles described in navi. Those who lived in those times had to have felt the reality of Hashem more than we do.

All the way until חורבן ביהמ"ק.

If I may add, in the time of the ביהמ"ק there was גילוי אלקות כפשוטו right there (מקום הארון מן המדה ואינו מן המדה, etc.)

מיום שחרב ביהמ"ק אין לו להקב"ה אלא ד אמות של הלכה.

The churban was a major concealment of G-dliness, and it is our job as Yidden to find and reveal אלקות anywhere and everywhere through תורה ומצוות. If you learn chassidus you might get a taste of the differences between עלמא דאתכסיא and עלמא דאתגליא, and ימות המשיח where we will bez"h have very soon the מעלות of both combined to a greater revelation of אלקות than ever before.

[imayid2]

I have no doubt that it was 100% muttar. If you don't mind I want to reverse the question back to you.
Why wouldn't anybody of stature do that today (with his wife)?

Because there is no reason to as we have effective cures. Not something that’s medically recognized as providing benefit AFAIK these days.

[Definitions2]

Because there is no reason to as we have effective cures. Not something that’s medically recognized as providing benefit AFAIK these days.

I doubt that's the reason. What's the illness you have in mind? And how does body warmth not provide benefit?

[aygart]

I have no doubt that it was 100% muttar. If you don't mind I want to reverse the question back to you.
Why wouldn't anybody of stature do that today (with his wife)?

Typically one's wife would not be a besula which was one of the requirements. Also keep in mind that at the time people had multiple wives and social norms were much different. Dovid Hamelech had 18 at the time.

[aygart]

I doubt that's the reason. What's the illness you have in mind? And how does body warmth not provide benefit?

The illness was a spiritual one due to his cutting Shaul's clothes.

[imayid2]

I doubt that's the reason. What's the illness you have in mind? And how does body warmth not provide benefit?

He had some sort of chills. He couldn’t keep warm.

Why is this not something that is medically recommended these days?

[EliJelly]

The illness was a spiritual one due to his cutting Shaul's clothes.

Not exactly the reason for the illness but the reason why clothes didn't cure that. כׇּל הַמְבַזֶּה אֶת הַבְּגָדִים, סוֹף אֵינוֹ נֶהֱנֶה מֵהֶם

Reb Yankele of Pshevorsk said an amazing vort. Chazal say כל האומר דוד חטא אינו אלא טועה. What's the ראיה to that? Since the clothes weren't warming him because he mistreated them, had the story with Bas Sheva be considered a sin, then after being pogem with such, Avishag wouldn't warm him either.

[EliJelly]

I don't have any reason to believe that people were bigger in past generations.

Chazal say that multiple times on previous generations vs. later. Hard to guess what chazal you believe or you don't at any given time. 

Why wouldn't anybody of stature do that today (with his wife)?

I don't understand this question. There are better ways to treat chills. Dovid had the problem that clothes wouldn't warm him. Besides, what do you know how couples today treat chill attacks? 

[imayid2]

I don't understand this question. There are better ways to treat chills. Dovid had the problem that clothes wouldn't warm him. Besides, what do you know how couples today treat chill attacks?

This!

[Definitions2]

Typically one's wife would not be a besula which was one of the requirements. Also keep in mind that at the time people had multiple wives and social norms were much different. Dovid Hamelech had 18 at the time.

The illness was a spiritual one due to his cutting Shaul's clothes.

I don't understand what besula has to do with this. I was talking about a theoretical case where someone was simply cold.

[Definitions2]

I don't understand this question. There are better ways to treat chills. Dovid had the problem that clothes wouldn't warm him. Besides, what do you know how couples today treat chill attacks?

This!

I'm not talking about Dovid.
I only know that there wouldn't be a hava amina.

[aygart]

I don't understand what besula has to do with this. I was talking about a theoretical case where someone was simply cold.

It needed to be a besula to be effective

[Definitions2]

It needed to be a besula to be effective

Ok therefore what?

[imayid2]

I'm not talking about Dovid.
I only know that there wouldn't be a hava amina.

You know this how, exactly?

If someone was terribly ill and the doc prescribes added intimacy/body warmth as the only cure, it would be obligatory to follow through.

[aygart]

Ok therefore what?

I assumed that part of your issue was an older man with a younger girl

[Definitions2]

You know this how, exactly?

If someone was terribly ill and the doc prescribes added intimacy/body warmth as the only cure, it would be obligatory to follow through.

I don't know. As for your theoretical case yes I guess you're right.
I think we have to back up a bit, I'm losing track of what's going on. I agreed that I likely won't be able to disprove anything unless I can go through everything and find a fault in it, which I don't think I could. I was just trying to explain what ideals I was talking about.
I was simply saying that based on the simple interpretation I don't think any gadol would do something like that. Then I asked you to help me explain the reasons why.

[Definitions2]

I assumed that part of your issue was an older man with a younger girl

Ahh. No I didn't have that in mind.