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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #100 on: January 28, 2018, 06:54:02 PM »
Only 2 are well known hashgochos.

KAJ does a number of places IIRC
Correction-only 2 are well known hashgoch is in America

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #101 on: January 28, 2018, 06:54:30 PM »
Even among those who do mention some sort of kashrut oversight I don’t see separate swimming mentioned in any of the ads. Is that something that is even less of a selling point?

The Pesach hotel debate is nothing new:

https://www.vosizneias.com/post/read/29392//2009/03/25/jerusalem-israeli-gedolim-caution-against-going-to-hotels-for-pesach/all_comments

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/us/celebrating-passoverwith-allthe-comforts-ofaresort.amp.html


http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=11578.0;wap2

 This quote seems to confirm my first point:
 Rabbi Oberstein explains why many observant Jews (particularly Chasidim) refrain from eating gbrochs — anything containing matzoh that might have come into contact with liquid. It is not so much a halachic concern as a family tradition. “Some people who have no problem with mixed swimming or swimming on Shabbos would never touch gbrochs.”
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #102 on: January 28, 2018, 07:57:44 PM »
Only 2 are well known hashgochos.

KAJ does a number of places IIRC
+1

Kaj and star k
On 2 places. Never seen an OU

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #103 on: January 28, 2018, 08:19:20 PM »
+1

Kaj and star k
On 2 places. Never seen an OU
I have. Pesach at the Granit used to but they closed.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #104 on: January 28, 2018, 08:24:22 PM »
Correction-only 2 are well known hashgoch is in America

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Rav Cremisi is well known in Montreal. And Rabbi Eliezer Wolff is well known in Europe. Both are kashrus experts.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #105 on: January 28, 2018, 08:27:46 PM »
Even among those who do mention some sort of kashrut oversight I don’t see separate swimming mentioned in any of the ads. Is that something that is even less of a selling point?

The Pesach hotel debate is nothing new:

https://www.vosizneias.com/post/read/29392//2009/03/25/jerusalem-israeli-gedolim-caution-against-going-to-hotels-for-pesach/all_comments

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/us/celebrating-passoverwith-allthe-comforts-ofaresort.amp.html


http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=11578.0;wap2

 This quote seems to confirm my first point:
 Rabbi Oberstein explains why many observant Jews (particularly Chasidim) refrain from eating gbrochs — anything containing matzoh that might have come into contact with liquid. It is not so much a halachic concern as a family tradition. “Some people who have no problem with mixed swimming or swimming on Shabbos would never touch gbrochs.”
Umm maybe separate swimming is a given.
And gebrokts is a halachic concern.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #106 on: January 28, 2018, 08:35:09 PM »
I know Miami Kosher gives hashgocha on at least 2 places not in Miami and head of kashrus requires in person meeting with mashgichim and questions them on scenarios etc.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #107 on: January 28, 2018, 09:13:54 PM »
Can anyone post a link or ad for a program that has an actual mainstream big hashgocha? I haven't seen any. Guess why?
For the most part they have fly by night, second tier "rabbonim", who all of a sudden have become professionals in the intricate details of catering a commercial pesach for for hundreds..

There are a few options, non are good..


(Its ironic that I generally would actually advocate for a rabbi to take responsibility instead of a faceless organization... My question still stands.)

Honestly, I think some people's judgement are clouded by pre-conceived notions about these programs. They're not all perfect, but to lump every one together is asinine.

But FWIW the program I went to last year was under the OK and the rav hamachsir is fantastically knowledgeable and is present and eating at the program for the entire Pesach:
https://www.pesachonthemountain.com/pesach-vacation-food/
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #108 on: January 28, 2018, 09:48:00 PM »
Honestly, I think some people's judgement are clouded by pre-conceived notions about these programs. They're not all perfect, but to lump every one together is asinine.

But FWIW the program I went to last year was under the OK and the rav hamachsir is fantastically knowledgeable and is present and eating at the program for the entire Pesach:
https://www.pesachonthemountain.com/pesach-vacation-food/
Once we heard that Jared and Ivanka went we knew that the kashrus was top notch...

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #109 on: January 28, 2018, 09:58:18 PM »
Only 1 advertises a wine somm, blah.


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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #110 on: January 28, 2018, 11:13:56 PM »
Honestly, I think some people's judgement are clouded by pre-conceived notions about these programs. They're not all perfect, but to lump every one together is asinine.

But FWIW the program I went to last year was under the OK and the rav hamachsir is fantastically knowledgeable and is present and eating at the program for the entire Pesach:
https://www.pesachonthemountain.com/pesach-vacation-food/

Was that the one where the Kushners and crowd were pictured eating matza from the platter of matzah that was served to the guests as part of the eruv pesach buffet?

http://jewishinsider.com/11255/where-in-the-world-are-jared-ivanka-for-passover-canada/



Excuse my bluntness but was the OK Rav hamachshir eating from the eruv pesach matzah as well? Was he knowledgeable about the Halacha in Shulchan Aruch (and Yerushalmi) that it is quite problematic to eat matzah Erev pesach?

I think this illustrates my point that even good programs still have compromises that have to be taken into account as part of the overall picture when making a decision to join a program, but to say everything is just perfect and up to standard because the Rav Hamachshir is knowledgeable and eats there is a stretch....
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #111 on: January 28, 2018, 11:14:47 PM »
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #112 on: January 28, 2018, 11:16:57 PM »
Was that the one where the Kushners and crowd were pictured eating matza from the platter of matzah that was served to the guests as part of the eruv pesach buffet?

http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/04/13/ivanka-trump-family-passover-vacation-20k-secret-revealed/

http://jewishinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/IMG_8906-3.jpg

Excuse my bluntness but was the OK Rav hamachshir eating from the eruv pesach matzah as well? Was he knowledgeable about the Halacha in Shulchan Aruch (and Yerushalmi) that it is quite problematic to eat matzah Erev pesach?

I think this illustrates my point that even good programs still have compromises that have to be taken into account as part of the overall picture when making a decision to join a program, but to say everything is perfect and top notch standard wise is a stretch....


Egg matzah, but why let details get in middle of a fine anti dan lkaf zchus rant?
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #113 on: January 28, 2018, 11:17:05 PM »


Excuse my bluntness but was the OK Rav hamachshir eating from the eruv pesach matzah as well? Was he knowledgeable about the Halacha in Shulchan Aruch (and Yerushalmi) that it is quite problematic to eat matzah Erev pesach?

1000s of ppl only eat Erev Pesach Matzos for the Seder...and your saying that the Rav Hamachsher is problematic because of that??

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #114 on: January 28, 2018, 11:19:04 PM »

1000s of ppl only eat Erev Pesach Matzos for the Seder...and your saying that the Rav Hamachsher is problematic because of that??

He is referring to eating matzos ON erev pesach.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #115 on: January 28, 2018, 11:20:10 PM »
He is referring to eating matzos ON erev pesach.
Woops my bad.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #116 on: January 28, 2018, 11:27:03 PM »
Egg matzah, but why let details get in middle of a fine anti dan lkaf zchus rant?

http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/1163475/jewish/Is-Egg-Matzah-Kosher-For-Passover.htm

http://www.crcweb.org/ask_rav/eggmatzah.php

“However R. Moses Isserles or R’Ma writes that would be permitted only for someone who is ill or for an elderly individual.  Thus, those who follow Ashkenazic tradition will not eat egg matza except for the above two cases. “

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #117 on: January 28, 2018, 11:28:54 PM »
http://www.crcweb.org/ask_rav/eggmatzah.php

“However R. Moses Isserles or R’Ma writes that would be permitted only for someone who is ill or for an elderly individual.  Thus, those who follow Ashkenazic tradition will not eat egg matza except for the above two cases. “

Ashkenazim could eat egg matzah erev Pessach before איסור חמץ. Sefardim eat egg matzah on erev Pessach even after איסור חמץ.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #118 on: January 28, 2018, 11:29:46 PM »
http://www.crcweb.org/ask_rav/eggmatzah.php

“However R. Moses Isserles or R’Ma writes that would be permitted only for someone who is ill or for an elderly individual.  Thus, those who follow Ashkenazic tradition will not eat egg matza except for the above two cases. “
That's on Pesach!

"Rabbenu Tam who used egg matza on erev Pesach in order not to violate the prohibition of eating regular matza on erev Pesach. "
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #119 on: January 28, 2018, 11:30:00 PM »
http://www.crcweb.org/ask_rav/eggmatzah.php

“However R. Moses Isserles or R’Ma writes that would be permitted only for someone who is ill or for an elderly individual.  Thus, those who follow Ashkenazic tradition will not eat egg matza except for the above two cases. “
That's on pesach. What time on erev pesach was the pic?