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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1140 on: May 18, 2023, 10:48:40 AM »
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1141 on: May 18, 2023, 10:51:13 AM »
Ah so wearing a hat for the picture makes you a rabbi, without it you're just a Mr. Got it

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1142 on: May 18, 2023, 10:53:43 AM »


Keep on reading the group he was subsequently removed.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1143 on: May 18, 2023, 11:08:46 AM »


Part 3
I'm a little surprised that nobody has done this by now, but as per my Rov, I'll share just the timeline as shown from screenshots that Heshy himself shared for the world to see and everyone can decide for themselves if they should go into future business with him without commentary from me.

If you find any errors in the transcription of what the screenshots show or any missing screenshots, please post.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1144 on: May 18, 2023, 11:09:37 AM »
I'm a little surprised that nobody has done this by now, but as per my Rov, I'll share just the timeline as shown from screenshots that Heshy himself shared for the world to see and everyone can decide for themselves if they should go into future business with him without commentary from me.
Timeline from screenshots:

9/28/22:
Hotel acknowledges initial deposit.





Attachment shows that a $45K check payment was received on 9/23/22:





1/13/23:
Hotel sends wire instructions:




Attachment shows the hotel's wire details at BOFA:



1/22/23-1/27/23:
Missing several emails, but SY tells hotel that they should have $50K ready to send to hotel by end of week.

Hotel tells HG he is in breach of contract due to non-payment and asks for a new proposed payment schedule.




1/27/23:
HG sends hotel confirmation of a $48K wire sent, HG says in video that this was their 2nd payment, so that should mean they paid $93K to date.





1/27/23:
Hotel thanks HG for payment and asks for updated payment schedule. Confirms that HG is still in breach of contract.



2/1/23, 230pm.
Hotel tells HG and SY they received $103K to date and are still owed $302K that should have been paid by Feb 1. States that SY verbally agreed to $50K weekly until caught up, but requests written confirmation.





2/1/23, 306pm.
HG asks SY if they can pay $50K weekly, based on good sales numbers.



2/1/23, 315pm. 
SY counters with $30K weekly in Feb for $120K + $103K previously paid=$323K.
Plus $90K weekly in March for $360K+323K previously paid=$683K.
Plus remaining balance of ?? to be paid Apr 3.




2/1/23, 906pm.
Hotel counters with $30K that week and $40K the next 3 weeks, for $150K paid in Feb + $103K previously paid=$353K.
Plus $90K weekly in March for $360K+353K previously paid=$713K.
Plus remaining balance of ?? to be paid Mar 31.
Notes that is imperative that no dates can be missed and all payments must be done via wire going forward.





2/2/23, 416pm.
SY sarcastically agrees to counter offer.




2/20/23-2/21/23
Hotel doesn't receive the expected payment amounts.








2/27/23 at 11:41am and 3/3/23 at 9:26am
Payments of unknown amount made to hotel, HG claims in video they are possibly $5,500, $9,500, $18,000, and $7,000?




3/3/23 at 1:33pm:
First phishing email from claridger.com, asking to note new wire address. The previous conversation from the actual hotel is embedded into the email, so the phishers had access to all previous emails:




3/6/23, 12:16pm
Phishing email to see attachment of new scam bank account, at PNC:







3/6/23, 12:17pm:
SY asks phishers to confirm they got a $7K wire, they confirm they got a "previous payment," but remind him to pay to the (phish) PNC account going forward.

It's unclear if any payment was send to PNC at this point.

The phishers ask for proof of the wire multiple times, which makes it seem like the $7,000 may not have gone to the phish PNC account?

HG admits in video (2:06:00) that the scammers were effectively saying please don't make that mistake again, which makes it sound like the payment went to the actual hotel and not the phishers.









3/15/23:
Hotel says that now that Purim is over, they were expecting much larger wires to have been made.





3/16/23:
HG's brother Joel tells hotel $50K is coming Monday 3/20, and then everyday wires as money comes in, until it's paid off. Asks for final balances owed and how much hotel has received from his brother and SY.








3/20/23, 11:09am
Hotel tells Joel that they are looking forward to the $50K payment that was promised and confirms they have received $158K to date. That's only $55K paid since Feb 1 vs the promised amount of $510K since that date.





3/22/23, 2:23pm
SY emails hotel with proof of $25K wire.




3/22/23, 4:44pm
Phisher asks for proof of wire:




3/23/23
SY apologizes to the phishers for once again sending a wire to the hotel's BOFA account and not to the phishers PNC account.

The phishers ask if he is doing the payments to the hotel's BOFA on purpose and to please make payments to the phishers PNC account.





3/28/23, 12:44am
Simon emails hotel receipt of a $70K wire and says hopes to send another $20K soon.





3/28/23, 2:24pm
Phisher emails simon asking for proof of wire:





3/29/23
HG tells guests he was scammed and the program is cancelled.



3/30/23
Phisher emails that they haven't heard a word about payments:







3/30/23
SY tells phishers that he's not sure what they mean.





4/19/23,
Phisher email forwarded to FBI agent:


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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1145 on: May 18, 2023, 11:11:13 AM »
Timeline from screenshots:
I asked the hotel and employees for comment and did not receive a reply.

I asked Heshy for comment and he sent these screenshots showing that a $70K payment and a $20K payment were made to the phisher's PNC account. That lines up with the 3/28-3/29 timeline from the screenshots, just before the program was announced to have been cancelled.

ETA: As pointed out below, the wires only show pending, so it's unclear if these did or didn't go through. The phisher writes in the screenshot above on 3/30 that he didn't receive any payments.







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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1146 on: May 18, 2023, 11:39:13 AM »
Just throwing this in here...

https://who.is/whois/claridger.com

Jews ≠ Zionists
Palestinians ≠ Hamas
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1147 on: May 18, 2023, 12:09:36 PM »
3/28/23, 12:44am
Simon emails hotel receipt of a $70K wire and says hopes to send another $20K soon.



Seems like any proof of the $70k wire (which I guess is the bulk of the issue) show the transaction as "hold" or "pending". Any proof that it actually went through?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1148 on: May 18, 2023, 12:17:04 PM »
Seems like any proof of the $70k wire (which I guess is the bulk of the issue) show the transaction as "hold" or "pending". Any proof that it actually went through?

Major point. When was the screenshot taken? Does he always take a screenshot of the wire before it is complete?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1149 on: May 18, 2023, 12:22:36 PM »
Seems like any proof of the $70k wire (which I guess is the bulk of the issue) show the transaction as "hold" or "pending". Any proof that it actually went through?
That's a very good point, though likely by then the hotel had already decided to move on due to an extreme payment shortfall.

It also would explain why the phishers would write on the 30th that they didn't get any payments.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1150 on: May 18, 2023, 12:26:09 PM »
That's a very good point, though likely by then the hotel had already decided to move on due to an extreme payment shortfall.

It also would explain why the phishers would write on the 30th that they didn't get any payments.
Right. What I mean is he quite possibly didn't even lose the $70k (assuming it was a real phishing scam) as it is quite common for a bank to place a wire to a new beneficiary in a queue that requires verbal confirmation before being processed.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1151 on: May 18, 2023, 12:27:13 PM »
Right. What I mean is he quite possibly didn't even lose the $70k (assuming it was a real phishing scam) as it is quite common for a bank to place a wire to a new beneficiary in a queue that requires verbal confirmation before being processed.
Yup, this an an excellent point.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1152 on: May 18, 2023, 12:28:07 PM »
That's a very good point, though likely by then the hotel had already decided to move on due to an extreme payment shortfall.

It also would explain why the phishers would write on the 30th that they didn't get any payments.
Is it clear that they ever got any payments at all?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1153 on: May 18, 2023, 12:28:56 PM »
Its a little confusing with all the screenshots. How much money can you confirm that he actually paid the hotel?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1154 on: May 18, 2023, 12:29:12 PM »
Is it clear that they ever got any payments at all?
Yes, see the screenshots. But very little.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1155 on: May 18, 2023, 12:36:59 PM »
Presumably, the hotel would refund all (or at least most of) the previous payments?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1156 on: May 18, 2023, 12:37:36 PM »
Presumably, the hotel would refund all (or at least most of) the previous payments?
Certainly not. He's in breach of contract. They'll probably sue for more damages for spoiled room inventory.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1157 on: May 18, 2023, 12:38:34 PM »
Presumably, the hotel would refund all (or at least most of) the previous payments?
Why would or should they? Thats the point of  a deposit, its non refundable as they lost lots of potential sales due to him reserving the whole hotel and not showing up

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1158 on: May 18, 2023, 12:40:01 PM »
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1159 on: May 18, 2023, 12:47:11 PM »
Its a little confusing with all the screenshots. How much money can you confirm that he actually paid the hotel?

My reading is that the hotel got $158K by their 3/20 acknowledgement or $183K if the last $25K wire on 3/22 was received by them.

The hotel should have been paid a total of $683K by March, plus an unknown remaining balance by 4/3.
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