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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1180 on: May 18, 2023, 08:44:50 PM »
I spoke to them several times, but didn't receive a psak either way. They were mainly concerned over whether this would qualify for a heter arkaos and whether people might trust him in the future that would make it a toeles.

Having spent enough time trying to chase that down, my own rav told me that I could repost anything that he already shared.

So if he didn’t appear on any show or made any statements.
Then nobody could say he’s guilty bc they wouldn’t have any info and people wouldn’t be allowed to assume ?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1181 on: May 18, 2023, 08:45:46 PM »
So if he didn’t appear on any show or made any statements.
Then nobody could say he’s guilty bc they wouldn’t have any info and people wouldn’t be allowed to assume ?
It would only be conjecture and hearsay if that was the case.
But now we can look at the evidence that he willingly provided.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1182 on: May 18, 2023, 08:54:26 PM »
So if he didn’t appear on any show or made any statements.
Then nobody could say he’s guilty bc they wouldn’t have any info and people wouldn’t be allowed to assume ?
“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1183 on: May 18, 2023, 11:19:59 PM »
I asked the hotel and employees for comment and did not receive a reply.

I asked Heshy for comment and he sent these screenshots showing that a $70K payment and a $20K payment were made to the phisher's PNC account. That lines up with the 3/28-3/29 timeline from the screenshots, just before the program was announced to have been cancelled.

ETA: As pointed out below, the wires only show pending, so it's unclear if these did or didn't go through. The phisher writes in the screenshot above on 3/30 that he didn't receive any payments.






Curios question, where those screenshots sent to you on the same date?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1184 on: May 19, 2023, 12:40:46 AM »
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1185 on: May 19, 2023, 09:56:57 AM »
It would only be conjecture and hearsay if that was the case.
But now we can look at the evidence that he willingly provided.

Why isn’t the hotel being open about everything ?
Also why would HG be so forthcoming with info ? If there is a lie, it will eventually come out
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1186 on: May 19, 2023, 09:59:16 AM »
Why isn’t the hotel being open about everything ?
Also why would HG be so forthcoming with info ? If there is a lie, it will eventually come out
Because being open hurts your case in the court of law?

Any lawyer would have told HG the same thing, but for some reason he kept talking to Brenner even though he hurt himself badly with each appearance.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1187 on: May 19, 2023, 10:13:07 AM »
Because being open hurts your case in the court of law?

Any lawyer would have told HG the same thing, but for some reason he kept talking to Brenner even though he hurt himself badly with each appearance.

And when he didn’t go on
Everyone was tearing him apart.
He was messed up either way
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1188 on: May 19, 2023, 10:16:18 AM »
And when he didn’t go on
Everyone was tearing him apart.
He was messed up either way
You go on, say you're deeply sorry, briefly state what happened, and how you plan on fixing it.
None of that was done.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1189 on: May 19, 2023, 10:16:18 AM »
Regarding the emails themselves, all of them would be released in discovery either way.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1190 on: May 19, 2023, 10:17:07 AM »
Regarding the emails themselves, all of them would be released in discovery either way.
True, but if the case were settled, the public would never know the details.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1191 on: May 19, 2023, 10:19:12 AM »
And when he didn’t go on
Everyone was tearing him apart.
He was messed up either way
In your opinion, do you think he was more 'messed up' now that he went on or would you have recommended that he lay low?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1192 on: May 19, 2023, 10:19:44 AM »
True, but if the case were settled, the public would never know the details.
What case? Is there active litigation? From earlier in the thread it doesnt appear like HG cares about judgements, therefore I doubt he'd waste money on defense counsel and just get a default judgement that can get in line to collect. There wouldnt be any discovery.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1193 on: May 19, 2023, 10:22:48 AM »
What case? Is there active litigation? From earlier in the thread it doesnt appear like HG cares about judgements, therefore I doubt he'd waste money on defense counsel and just get a default judgement that can get in line to collect. There wouldnt be any discovery.
The hotel told news outlets they wouldn't comment due to pending litigation.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1194 on: May 19, 2023, 03:39:57 PM »
It would only be conjecture and hearsay if that was the case.
But now we can look at the evidence that he willingly provided.

What about that 11 min VN that HG left Elan ?
That can be proof either way
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1195 on: May 19, 2023, 04:04:20 PM »
Why isn’t the hotel being open about everything ?
Also why would HG be so forthcoming with info ? If there is a lie, it will eventually come out

WHo does the hotel owe anything to other than to cooperate with investigators?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1196 on: May 19, 2023, 04:06:03 PM »
but for some reason he kept talking to Brenner even though he hurt himself badly with each appearance.
Out of curiosity I asked Brenner why HG agreed to talk to him, and he didn’t really answer. He kinda just said “That’s my job- I try to get people to talk”

Regarding the emails themselves, all of them would be released in discovery either way.
-said no defendant ever.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1197 on: May 19, 2023, 04:27:13 PM »
Out of curiosity I asked Brenner why HG agreed to talk to him, and he didn’t really answer. He kinda just said “That’s my job- I try to get people to talk”
-said no defendant ever.

So brenner was trying to create conflict for ratings ?
How come the 11 min VN is not out there ?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1198 on: May 19, 2023, 04:33:12 PM »
How come the 11 min VN is not out there ?
Ask HG? He has been the one exposing himself until now...

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1199 on: May 19, 2023, 04:55:46 PM »
Ask HG? He has been the one exposing himself until now...

Or how come Elan won’t share it ?
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