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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1240 on: May 22, 2023, 07:48:35 PM »
But if thatís true
Why did he have a legit program last yr ?
If we're going to analyze his previous programs, how many of them had issues, cancellations, change hotels last minute, screwed vendors and lawsuits? I don't think his track record is in his favor...

I'm trying to find the 1% chance that this is all going to clear up and everyone made whole, but his track record doesn't make me very optimistic...

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1241 on: May 22, 2023, 07:50:30 PM »
If we're going to analyze his previous programs, how many of them had issues, cancellations, change hotels last minute, screwed vendors and lawsuits? I don't think his track record is in his favor...

I'm trying to find the 1% chance that this is all going to clear up and everyone made whole, but his track record doesn't make me very optimistic...

Why didnít he do a major screw over last yr ?
Just take money and close down a week before pesach
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1242 on: May 22, 2023, 07:52:08 PM »
But if thatís true
Why did he have a legit program last yr ?

As people were saying upthread to be Dan l'kaf zchus, he probably wanted to run a legit program. He didnt sell out enough rooms to cover his overhead. He was probably hoping more people would book last minute and he would be able to pay the hotel.
This still doesn't excuse his blaming it on the  phishing scam and not taking responsibility.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1243 on: May 22, 2023, 07:57:42 PM »
Why didnít he do a major screw over last yr ?
Just take money and close down a week before pesach
This isn't his first screw over.
All wonderful questions and if you have the opportunity to ask him, please do.
I hope things work out for everyone.
What we're seeing so far does not look good though.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1244 on: May 22, 2023, 08:01:26 PM »
He also had to pay to the hotel upfront
From the screenshots it doesn't look like much was paid to the hotel.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1245 on: May 22, 2023, 08:02:50 PM »
If he was guilty
Wouldnít he atleast try to apologize to them instead of giving the middle finger
No. Someone who feels bad apologizes.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1246 on: May 22, 2023, 08:02:54 PM »
So why did he make any real payments to the hotel ?
My 2 cents: he had full intention on making a beautiful pesach program. He paid himself first and unfortunately didnt have enough signups. The phishing put him over the top and he decided to cancel the program.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1247 on: May 22, 2023, 08:24:26 PM »
Pure guesses, no facts:

I think he fully intended to make a program and kept on hoping for enough signups to make it viable. (Confidence interval: 95%)

I don't think he phished himself or made the phishing website.  (Confidence interval: 80%)

I don't have any idea whether he paid the phisher or not. (Confidence interval: 50%)

I don't think paying the phishing had any effect on the program, it was likely already dead by that point due to not paying the hotel anywhere close to what they expected. The hotel had most likely moved on by that point. (Confidence interval: 95%)

The phishing did make a good scapegoat though.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1248 on: May 22, 2023, 09:18:33 PM »
Pure EDUCATED guesses, no facts:

FTFY

I think most logical people here get the same impressions. The only possible disagreement would be on the confidence levels.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1249 on: May 22, 2023, 10:00:08 PM »
FTFY
That's the only kind of guess that I make :)
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1250 on: May 23, 2023, 06:23:06 AM »
Pure guesses, no facts:

I think he fully intended to make a program and kept on hoping for enough signups to make it viable. (Confidence interval: 95%)

I don't think he phished himself or made the phishing website.  (Confidence interval: 80%)

I don't have any idea whether he paid the phisher or not. (Confidence interval: 50%)

I don't think paying the phishing had any effect on the program, it was likely already dead by that point due to not paying the hotel anywhere close to what they expected. The hotel had most likely moved on by that point. (Confidence interval: 95%)

The phishing did make a good scapegoat though.

Do u believe he still has any $ from the people that paid ?
Or do u think he blew it all on paying hotel, and some deposits?

If he has any leftover $, why doesnít he pay some people back part of it
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1251 on: May 23, 2023, 08:14:41 AM »
Do u believe he still has any $ from the people that paid ?
Or do u think he blew it all on paying hotel, and some deposits?

If he has any leftover $, why doesnít he pay some people back part of it
I got to believe you are trolling at this point.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1252 on: May 23, 2023, 09:25:54 AM »
Do u believe he still has any $ from the people that paid ?
Or do u think he blew it all on paying hotel, and some deposits?

If he has any leftover $, why doesnít he pay some people back part of it
No clue. Go ask him.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1253 on: May 23, 2023, 09:49:48 AM »
If he has any leftover $, why doesnít he pay some people back part of it

If he has left then where that goes becomes a question of his priorities until different priorities are forced upon him.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1254 on: May 23, 2023, 11:44:11 AM »
So he might be innocent
Don't forget that  being  HG Dan Lekaf zechus comes along with the flip side of the coin of a whole bunch of people being liars and cheats according to his side of the story on the ZB Show.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1255 on: May 23, 2023, 12:09:01 PM »

At this point? CRONY was always a troll.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1256 on: May 23, 2023, 12:10:04 PM »
The phishing did make a good scapegoat though. (Confidence interval: 40% and falling)
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1257 on: May 23, 2023, 12:57:32 PM »

Well, at the time it certainly sounded better for him then just saying it was cancelled by the hotel and there's no refunds...
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1258 on: May 23, 2023, 01:13:19 PM »
At this point? CRONY was always a troll.

Huh ? And so were my hat tips ?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1259 on: May 24, 2023, 06:12:35 AM »
Huh ? And so were my hat tips ?
While I think you are wrong and you are trying to stick up for a friend who accuses everyone except himself, I too get annoyed at some people who accuse anyone who argues the unpopular side of things of trolling. You are not a troll just wrong. And you have every right to have and defend that (wrong ) opinion.