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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1260 on: May 24, 2023, 08:14:01 AM »
An argument without someone arguing feverishly on the other side is like a wedding without music.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1261 on: May 24, 2023, 01:10:46 PM »
An argument without someone arguing feverishly on the other side is like a wedding without music.
Nuh uh

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1262 on: May 24, 2023, 01:14:00 PM »
Do u believe he still has any $ from the people that paid ?
Or do u think he blew it all on paying hotel, and some deposits?

If he has any leftover $, why doesnít he pay some people back part of it

Highly doubt it. Anyone who knows these type of personalities, they bounce around from mess to mess and rarely have any money on the side including the money that they gain from each messy gig. Usually, the money is used to clean up some of the prior messes and sadly the vicious cycle never ends.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1263 on: May 24, 2023, 01:28:38 PM »
Usually, the money is used to clean up some of the prior messes and sadly the vicious cycle never ends.
Or itís used to pay their mortgage, their car lease, or their kidsí tuition. Itís not necessarily done maliciously- I imagine some people just donít understand that thatís not how to manage a businessís finances, or maybe theyíre just desperate to pay the bills.

(Not commenting on HG as I donít know him. Just elaborating on the personality type that you described.)

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1264 on: May 24, 2023, 01:50:41 PM »
Or itís used to pay their mortgage, their car lease, or their kidsí tuition. Itís not necessarily done maliciously- I imagine some people just donít understand that thatís not how to manage a businessís finances, or maybe theyíre just desperate to pay the bills.

(Not commenting on HG as I donít know him. Just elaborating on the personality type that you described.)

Like Iíve said before he is a really nice person
I met him last yr (I was at the program )
Just sad that it came down to this
So many unknown facts and everyone has come to their own decision
ZB should have a follow up show to discuss everything.
Or maybe we should hear live from the victims 
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1265 on: May 24, 2023, 02:06:29 PM »
Like Iíve said before he is a really nice person
Could be but unfortunately nice people do bad things sometimes...
I met him last yr (I was at the program )
Ok
Just sad that it came down to this
Down to what?
So many unknown facts and everyone has come to their own decision
There are many facts and lot of information that led most people to their 'decision'...
ZB should have a follow up show to discuss everything.
info@talklinenetwork.com
Or maybe we should hear live from the victims
What would we learn? They paid a lot of money and got screwed over. Not much they can add...

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1266 on: May 24, 2023, 02:18:46 PM »
Could be but unfortunately nice people do bad things sometimes...OkDown to what?There are many facts and lot of information that led most people to their 'decision'...info@talklinenetwork.comWhat would we learn? They paid a lot of money and got screwed over. Not much they can add...

Down to what ? That people are out hundreds of thousands
That HG has a bad name now
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1267 on: May 24, 2023, 02:39:59 PM »
That HG has a bad name now
I agree with you somewhat that it's not okay to bash him publicly and assume that he is a liar and crook. Unless it's proven 100%.

However, on your last post, he has no one to blame but himself for shaking off the blame entirely. If he can't apologize publicly and take some blame, he should not expect to have a good name

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1268 on: May 24, 2023, 06:38:00 PM »
Down to what ? That people are out hundreds of thousands
That HG has a bad name now


Somehow I think those two have something to do with each other.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1269 on: May 24, 2023, 07:30:40 PM »
Somehow I think those two have something to do with each other.

I agree with you somewhat that it's not okay to bash him publicly and assume that he is a liar and crook. Unless it's proven 100%.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1270 on: May 24, 2023, 08:00:22 PM »

If someone has the ability to easily clear his name from any suspicions of foul play (in this case, it would be showing evidence that the program would've gone on had it not been for monies sent to the scammers), and doesn't, is questioning why he isn't clearing his name calling him a crook?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1271 on: May 24, 2023, 08:04:16 PM »
If someone has the ability to easily clear his name from any suspicions of foul play (in this case, it would be showing evidence that the program would've gone on had it not been for monies sent to the scammers), and doesn't, is questioning why he isn't clearing his name calling him a crook?

Everyone is calling him a crook and a ganev
Ur the first person to just say that they r just questioning him
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1272 on: May 24, 2023, 08:11:48 PM »
Everyone is calling him a crook and a ganev
Ur the first person to just say that they r just questioning him
No. People were suspicious at first, but understood that phishing scams can affect even savvy individuals. However, the more HG spoke, the more questions and holes formed in the story. That led people to believe that not everything was hunky dory as he wanted to portray.

I can tell you, my friends and I spoke to the program the day before the announcement was made that they cancelled and they told us they would give us a discount if we paid asap. 

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1273 on: May 24, 2023, 08:11:52 PM »
Everyone is calling him a crook and a ganev
Ur the first person to just say that they r just questioning him
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1274 on: May 24, 2023, 08:21:21 PM »
No. People were suspicious at first, but understood that phishing scams can affect even savvy individuals. However, the more HG spoke, the more questions and holes formed in the story. That led people to believe that not everything was hunky dory as he wanted to portray.

I can tell you, my friends and I spoke to the program the day before the announcement was made that they cancelled and they told us they would give us a discount if we paid asap.

What were they going to charge u ?
If it was like $1k per room
Then something is up
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1275 on: May 24, 2023, 08:29:27 PM »
What were they going to charge u ?
If it was like $1k per room
Then something is up
Per the story line that was provided, the day before he cancelled they knew they were cancelling. Taking any money would've been straight stealing.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1276 on: May 24, 2023, 08:31:39 PM »
Per the story line that was provided, the day before he cancelled they knew they were cancelling. Taking any money would've been straight stealing.

No
He cancelled Wednesday night
And he knew Wednesday morning
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1277 on: May 24, 2023, 08:40:40 PM »
No
He cancelled Wednesday night
And he knew Wednesday morning
Went back to my whats app group. He called them March 29 2pm. Perhaps the person didnt know they were shutting down. Perhaps.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1278 on: May 24, 2023, 08:54:40 PM »
He cancelled Wednesday night
And he says he knew Wednesday morning
FTFY

I'm relatively certain that only the guy himself could possibly know when he knew.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1279 on: May 24, 2023, 08:57:15 PM »
Went back to my whats app group. He called them March 29 2pm. Perhaps the person didnt know they were shutting down. Perhaps.

What was the discount ? What was he going to charge
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