Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread

[am7734]

So advertising Shwekey, ect... in an exotic location with over the top gourmet food... = target is some old hungarian bubby whos too old to make pesach herself??? Or a family with medical issues?

Not mutually exclusive, as Dan says:

Not really. If the grandparents have the means and want to be with all the grandkids, they can still pick a program by the amenities and food offered.

[avromie7]

Not really. If the grandparents have the means and want to be with all the grandkids, they can still pick a program by the amenities and food offered.

For families with medical issues, the argument is even stronger. They need the break and vacation.

[Moshe Green]

For families with medical issues, the argument is even stronger. They need the break and vacation.

riggggggghhhht...
Someone has cancer so they need to go to a $10,000 a head program in Hawaii for Pesach...

Of course there are the programs for people who really need it, such as:
1) Single parent homes
2) Medical situation
3) People who just had a baby or some other occasion
4) People who just, as Dan wrote, want to spend Pesach together

Those programs are much cheaper, have a private seder option, are not in exotic locations, are in a simple hotel/convention hall, do not have top chefs and entertainers, and don't have unlimited food.
And most of these programs are doing fine. They have their clientele that comes every year and everyone is happy.

Its the gaudy ones that are the issue and are falling apart. Oh, and lets add some more reasons not to go to these:
7) The pritzus (the people or the area its situated in)
8 ) The kinah that it makes for those who don't go to these places and hear about it from their friends.

[rbs-g1.5]

8 ) The kinah that it makes for those who don't go to these places and hear about it from their friends.

Stop mixing valid points with troll coments/conversation diverters

[Afrages6]

Stop mixing valid points with troll coments/conversation diverters

He thinks that they are all valid points.

[Essen est zich]

4) People who just, as Dan wrote, want to spend Pesach together

Those programs are much cheaper, have a private seder option, are not in exotic locations, are in a simple hotel/convention hall, do not have top chefs and entertainers, and don't have unlimited food.
And most of these programs are doing fine. They have their clientele that comes every year and everyone is happy.

That is how the Chabad Shliach in Myrtle Beach has set-up. https://www.jewishmyrtlebeach.com/templates/articlecco_cdo/aid/5803006/jewish/Pesach-at-Chabad-Mini-site.htm

[Dan]

Stop mixing valid points with troll coments/conversation diverters

Why? It's obvious that his comments are tinged by jealousy. Why should anyone care if grandparents want to get together with their family in a Four Seasons Whistler with shiurim and skiing instead of a Quality Inn in NJ?

[rbs-g1.5]

Why? It's obvious that his comments are tinged by jealousy.

I don't believe so . I think  this forum is sometimes plagued by people from very diferrent cultures trying to understand each others hashkafa .And  he has a good time pushing peoples buttons.

[dasmo801]

I don't believe so . I think  this forum is sometimes plagued by people from very diferrent cultures trying to understand each others hashkafa .And  he has a good time pushing peoples buttons.

I would substitute "plagued" with "blessed".
I don't think the comments are coming from jealousy at all.

[whacked1]

Why? It's obvious that his comments are tinged by jealousy. Why should anyone care if grandparents want to get together with their family in a Four Seasons Whistler with shiurim and skiing instead of a Quality Inn in NJ?

Back in the day there was the "dont feed the trolls" gif. What happened to those.

Stop mixing valid points with troll coments/conversation diverters

No. A troll is a troll and you disregard all. Do you separate what AOC says to see if some points are valid?

[yfr bachur]

It's interesting that bringing up valid criticism of conspicuous consumption is "trolling".
I've heard enough respected rabbanim bring up EVERY one of the points @Moshe Green wrote.
If you don't like what he says - explain why he's wrong

[whacked1]

It's interesting that bringing up valid criticism of conspicuous consumption is "trolling".
I've heard enough respected rabbanim bring up EVERY one of the points @Moshe Green wrote.
If you don't like what he says - explain why he's wrong

I didnt read his posts.

if "flatbush girl" posts valid criticism of conspicuous consumption would it be listened to? Smile and wave at all posts.

[dasmo801]

Why? It's obvious that his comments are tinged by jealousy. Why should anyone care if grandparents want to get together with their family in a Four Seasons Whistler with shiurim and skiing instead of a Quality Inn in NJ?

The substance of the criticism is, don't take a yom tov which is a spiritual highlight of the year, meant to instill lofty ideas like emunah in the borei olam, hashgach pratis, etc, etc in ourselves and our children and in turn, in our future generations and turn it into a hedonistic assault on the senses.

(I was never at one of these programs so my impressions are based only on the advertising and the write ups.  Obviously, everyone can do what they want, its a free country, just trying to point out that there are reasons other than jealousy that can be bothering people.)

[notyettaken]

I didnt read his posts.

if "flatbush girl" posts valid criticism of conspicuous consumption would it be listened to? Smile and wave at all posts.

The comparison to flatbush girl is out of line.

[Dan]

The substance of the criticism is, don't take a yom tov which is a spiritual highlight of the year, meant to instill lofty ideas like emunah in the borei olam, hashgach pratis, etc, etc in ourselves and our children and in turn, in our future generations and turn it into a hedonistic assault on the senses.

(I was never at one of these programs so my impressions are based only on the advertising and the write ups.  Obviously, everyone can do what they want, its a free country, just trying to point out that there are reasons other than jealousy that can be bothering people.)

I don't disagree with the substance of the criticism and haven't worked at a program in 7 years for reasons along those lines.

But to start nitpicking that people with valid reasons to go away should be choosing a lower class hotel as it causes jealousy among others? Sorry, work on jealousy traits first.

[dasmo801]

I don't disagree with the substance of the criticism and haven't worked at a program in 7 years for reasons along those lines.

But to start nitpicking that people with valid reasons to go away should be choosing a lower class hotel as it causes jealousy among others? Sorry, work on jealousy traits first.

WADR, picking on one point out of the eight points that he made is a little bit of nitpicking. His overall point is that those with valid reasons can go to the simpler programs and still have somewhat of a traditional pesach. 

[aygart]

WADR, picking on one point out of the eight points that he made is a little bit of nitpicking. His overall point is that those with valid reasons can go to the simpler programs and still have somewhat of a traditional pesach. 

Why do simpler and more traditional go together?

[Dan]

Why do simpler and more traditional go together?

+1

[dasmo801]

Why do simpler and more traditional go together?

Because indulging in gashmiyus by definition comes at the expense of the ruchniyus.
Maybe traditional was the wrong word. What I mean is that one may be able to preserve the spiritual aspect of pesach in some of the simpler programs and thats how I understood MG's point.

[madhocker]

Why do simpler and more traditional go together?

Because traditionally people did not indulge in fancy programs for Pesach?