Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread

[moko]

In defense, I can say definitively that there is so much experience and halachik application that I wouldn't have without the existence of these programs. Despite the various events and conferences throughout the year.
That is likely not what anyone wants to hear

[Dan]

In defense, I can say definitively that there is so much experience and halachik application that I wouldn't have without the existence of these programs. Despite the various events and conferences throughout the year.
That is likely not what anyone wants to hear

Can you share some examples?

[ExGingi]

Felt like a lot of foundational ideas I agree with expressed in ways I don't agree with.

I'd like to hear more about what you don't agree with.

In general I enjoy Rabbi Paltiel's shiurim very much. I highly recommend his website/app insidechassidus.com.

Remember that when you see him talking without glasses, it is a class for women (often non FFB).

[ExGingi]

In defense, I can say definitively that there is so much experience and halachik application that I wouldn't have without the existence of these programs. Despite the various events and conferences throughout the year.
That is likely not what anyone wants to hear

So for you it's a beneficial CE course.

[Yehuda57]

Felt like a lot of foundational ideas I agree with expressed in ways I don't agree with.

LOL, this should be Rabbi Paltiel's tagline

[ExGingi]

Sorry, I just don’t see eye to eye with this. I completely get that going to hotels is often a major compromise on kashrus standards and depending on the set up takes away a lot of the טעם of the yom tov. I get that going to Orlando for a Disney vacation with Pesach on the side, or other exotic vacations where pesach is clearly the טפל is an issue, and maybe even bordering on המבזה את המועדות.

‏ But renting a house in a warm climate to enjoy the yom tov in a home based atmosphere , especially with extended family can be a beautiful thing. It’s not my cup of tea, but it can enhance people’s simchas yom tov, create beautiful yom tov memories, and be very beneficial for a family. Getting stuck on “the craziness that the Boba and Zaidy did on pesach was holy” so we must do exactly like them, when there are so many other factors to weigh that might be far more compelling than making Bobbas Shmaltz recipe is missing the forest for the trees.

Why do you think renting a house in a warm climate in a home based atmosphere (for those that can afford it) is contradictory to what Rabbi Paltiel is saying?

Did you listen to the second half of his talk which is more "Lubavitch specific" but can also be applied to "renting a house" scenario, whether it is done just so we can "avoid Pesach cleaning and sell everything to a goy", or is it indeed meant for the purpose of quality family time without compromising on standards.

[moko]

Can you share some examples?

Most of my work enjoyment is in the industrial side. This past year for instance, I spent a lot of time dealing with flavor development and understanding how flavors are created. This led to me writing an article regarding the kashrus of flavors year round and peach for our pesach magazine
This is one of the few kashrus food service opportunities I actually enjoy.
In general the challenge of PROPERLY kashering setting a hotel for two weeks is very rewarding. We don't often have those opportunities because most of what we do throughout the year is is one of events or a couple of days where we don't completely take over a venue and kasher every bit of it.
Often due to the challenges of stripping and kashering a dishwasher, a caterer will simply wash at their commissary.

This year in particular, we created dozens of videos tutorials on how to kasher various pieces of equipment. Because we had two  commercial dishwashers to kasher, we demonstrated two different ways to accomplish that.
Thanks to all those who submitted feedback on my WhatsApp status
We had three yungeleit  from a kollel in Lakewood learning hechsher keilim onsite to observe the practical application.

So this time of the year, and the hotel in particular provide a valuable experience for myself and an enormous training opportunity for others.

[Essen est zich]

This year in particular, we created dozens of videos tutorials on how to kasher various pieces of equipment. Because we had two  commercial dishwashers to kasher, we demonstrated two different ways to accomplish that.

Thank you for the videos! Although I'm not kashering, still very educational.

[Dan]

LOL, this should be Rabbi Paltiel's tagline

Not the Steven A Smith of mashpiim?

[Yehuda57]

Not the Steven A Smith of mashpiim?

I wouldn't go there, he has an incredible amount of substance.

[Dan]

I wouldn't go there, he has an incredible amount of substance.

Smith has some substance. He just adds in the hot takes to raise eyebrows and get views.

[yfr bachur]

Most of my work enjoyment is in the industrial side. This past year for instance, I spent a lot of time dealing with flavor development and understanding how flavors are created. This led to me writing an article regarding the kashrus of flavors year round and peach for our pesach magazine
This is one of the few kashrus food service opportunities I actually enjoy.
In general the challenge of PROPERLY kashering setting a hotel for two weeks is very rewarding. We don't often have those opportunities because most of what we do throughout the year is is one of events or a couple of days where we don't completely take over a venue and kasher every bit of it.
Often due to the challenges of stripping and kashering a dishwasher, a caterer will simply wash at their commissary.

This year in particular, we created dozens of videos tutorials on how to kasher various pieces of equipment. Because we had two  commercial dishwashers to kasher, we demonstrated two different ways to accomplish that.
Thanks to all those who submitted feedback on my WhatsApp status
We had three yungeleit  from a kollel in Lakewood learning hechsher keilim onsite to observe the practical application.

So this time of the year, and the hotel in particular provide a valuable experience for myself and an enormous training opportunity for others.

TY!
You have time to post here?   

[TzviR]

Most of my work enjoyment is in the industrial side. This past year for instance, I spent a lot of time dealing with flavor development and understanding how flavors are created. This led to me writing an article regarding the kashrus of flavors year round and peach for our pesach magazine
This is one of the few kashrus food service opportunities I actually enjoy.
In general the challenge of PROPERLY kashering setting a hotel for two weeks is very rewarding. We don't often have those opportunities because most of what we do throughout the year is is one of events or a couple of days where we don't completely take over a venue and kasher every bit of it.
Often due to the challenges of stripping and kashering a dishwasher, a caterer will simply wash at their commissary.

This year in particular, we created dozens of videos tutorials on how to kasher various pieces of equipment. Because we had two  commercial dishwashers to kasher, we demonstrated two different ways to accomplish that.
Thanks to all those who submitted feedback on my WhatsApp status
We had three yungeleit  from a kollel in Lakewood learning hechsher keilim onsite to observe the practical application.

So this time of the year, and the hotel in particular provide a valuable experience for myself and an enormous training opportunity for others.

Can you post the videos here?

[Chilla]

Can you post the videos here?

Would also appreciate... if you have time!

[moko]

TY!
You have time to post here?   

on my flight home to check on local clients and pick up the family

[yfr bachur]

on my flight home to check on local clients and pick up the family

Enjoy what you can...!!!

[BESED]

‏ But renting a house in a warm climate to enjoy the yom tov in a home based atmosphere , especially with extended family can be a beautiful thing. It’s not my cup of tea, but it can enhance people’s simchas yom tov, create beautiful yom tov memories, and be very beneficial for a family. Getting stuck on “the craziness that the Boba and Zaidy did on pesach was holy” so we must do exactly like them, when there are so many other factors to weigh that might be far more compelling than making Bobbas Shmaltz recipe is missing the forest for the trees.

I didn’t watch the video ( filter blocked)
While I totally agree with you that it’s not all about “Bobbas Shmaltz recipe” but doing this in order to get away with cleaning the chametz is not totally comparable to a shmaltz recipe.

There is this famous story about R Shlomo Bobover that he once went to meet Baron Rothschild for a certain fundraising effort. The baron welcomed him very warmly and showed him around his estate. During the tour he pointed to a big house in the estate he proudly proclaimed to R Shlomo that this house is my special “Pesach house” so that there should not even be a minute chashash of chametz on Pesach. To his great dismay R Shlomo just shrugged it off. When the baron asked him why he wasn’t impressed from his amazing chumra he answered the following: “ My zeide the great Divrei Chaim of Zanz was far from a wealthy individual but when it came to mitzvos money never played a role and if he didn’t do it obviously it isn’t the preferred way of doing it rather one has to toil for the mitzvah especially since it symbolizes the eradication of the yetzer horah”.

Point being you don’t have to go overboard on this but to totally ignore the mitzvah and try to get away with it isn’t the right way to do this!

[yelped]

I didn’t watch the video ( filter blocked)
While I totally agree with you that it’s not all about “Bobbas Shmaltz recipe” but doing this in order to get away with cleaning the chametz is not totally comparable to a shmaltz recipe.

There is this famous story about R Shlomo Bobover that he once went to meet Baron Rothschild for a certain fundraising effort. The baron welcomed him very warmly and showed him around his estate. During the tour he pointed to a big house in the estate he proudly proclaimed to R Shlomo that this house is my special “Pesach house” so that there should not even be a minute chashash of chametz on Pesach. To his great dismay R Shlomo just shrugged it off. When the baron asked him why he wasn’t impressed from his amazing chumra he answered the following: “ My zeide the great Divrei Chaim of Zanz was far from a wealthy individual but when it came to mitzvos money never played a role and if he didn’t do it obviously it isn’t the preferred way of doing it rather one has to toil for the mitzvah especially since it symbolizes the eradication of the yetzer horah”.

Point being you don’t have to go overboard on this but to totally ignore the mitzvah and try to get away with it isn’t the right way to do this!

Who doesn't clean for Pesach? Anyone going away cleans, but perhaps doesn't cook (depends on where they're going).

[Sammy82]

Who doesn't clean for Pesach? Anyone going away cleans, but perhaps doesn't cook (depends on where they're going).

We went to EY one year for pesach. And didn't clean our house (more than any other time we would if going away for three weeks). Why would we? Obviously, we cleaned our rental apartment in Yerushalayim, but that was minimal as we only got there a few days earlier.

[Euclid]

When we talk about trauma and reasons to go OTD - Pesach is high up on the list.

Chag kosher *v'sameach*: don't throw the baby out with the chametz.