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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2018, 12:32:58 PM »
Unless the kashrus is below the advertised standard you can't, but for many of of the other issues it will.
Well, since the advertisement has no Kashrus standard stated, nothing can be below that standard.

And if the standard was advertised and the actual kashrus is below the advertised standard, how does paying with a CC help?
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2018, 12:34:15 PM »
I think he was referring to actually knowing the kashrus standard before you eat things there.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2018, 12:35:44 PM »
There are a number of threads discussing programs, would be good to put them together.
Look carefully at ads, many do not advertise hashgocha. They advertise guest speakers, and people assume that if rabbi X eats there so can I. But does rabbi X actually eat there?

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2018, 12:36:04 PM »
If you don't ask before going you probably deserve it...
That was his point.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2018, 12:40:11 PM »
Well, since the advertisement has no Kashrus standard stated, nothing can be below that standard.

And if the standard was advertised and the actual kashrus is below the advertised standard, how does paying with a CC help?
I would assume that while there was no hechsher on the ad there will be somewhere on the brochures etc that will it will be written.


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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2018, 12:40:54 PM »
Is that photo even the entire ad ?

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2018, 12:44:30 PM »
I think he was referring to actually knowing the kashrus standard before you eat things there.

He says Rav Bardaya is the mashgocha. from my limited research hes a sefardi rabbi from brooklyn that has limited hashgocha experince. I saw for myself, (when I was in the kitchen trying to get some hot water for a coffee) that the place was flying with milichig and fleshig all over the place. no rabbi in sight. the hasgocha was far from the only issue. they let 10 kids in one room, so the hotel had about 1000 guests when in reality they should have 500 max. plus he rented out rooms in the hotel accross the street to anyone which made all the other guest suffer. limited stuffed dining room, drunk russian waiters that were hitting on woman,,, i can go on and on.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2018, 12:46:05 PM »
rabbi from brooklyn that has limited hashgocha experince.
If that ain't a giant red flag I don't know what is.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2018, 12:47:26 PM »
Is that photo even the entire ad ?
Can't seem to find anything online..

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2018, 12:51:03 PM »
Can't seem to find anything online..
@Dave321 what was it called last year?

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2018, 01:17:26 PM »
@Dave321 what was it called last year?

dont remember, it was in the raddison piscatoway.
Can't seem to find anything online..
he preys on print ad people... he knows if its online hes going to get real negative coverage

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2018, 01:40:09 PM »
They key to good Pesach programs seems to be continuity. The ones that operate every year have a consistent and happy customer base and hard to go wrong with them other than weather etc. Gateways, Mark David, Smilow, KMR, Greenwald, Lasko etc all seem to consistently perform. If the deal seems to good to be true, that will generally be the case. Unless ur talking Europe where the standards are totally different.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2018, 01:44:35 PM »
They key to good Pesach programs seems to be continuity. The ones that operate every year have a consistent and happy customer base and hard to go wrong with them other than weather etc. Gateways, Mark David, Smilow, KMR, Greenwald, Lasko etc all seem to consistently perform. If the deal seems to good to be true, that will generally be the case. Unless ur talking Europe where the standards are totally different.
Knowing the reputation of the kashrus certification and how seriously they take that will often give a good idea about the rest as well.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2018, 01:45:23 PM »
Knowing the reputation of the kashrus certification and how seriously they take that will often give a good idea about the rest as well.

Correct. Though the more "modern" programs have less of a focus on that.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2018, 02:01:46 PM »
dont remember, it was in the raddison piscatoway. he preys on print ad people... he knows if its online hes going to get real negative coverage
Found it.

No hechsher either..

It seems like Rabbi Goldwasser is with his program every year.

I'd love to know what he says..