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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #300 on: February 01, 2018, 08:12:13 AM »
https://www.amazon.com/Lithuanian-Yeshivas-Nineteenth-Century-Civilization/dp/187477479X

Start by reading this book and then a few others. Sure, it was an issue. But it wasn’t THE issue that closed the Yeshiva down. It was the in-fighting amongst different factions in the Yeshiva which led to mesira and ultimately the Yeshiva having to close down.
So that is what led to the ultimatum being given. That does not change anything.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #301 on: February 01, 2018, 08:48:23 AM »
So that is what led to the ultimatum being given. That does not change anything.
Exactly. At the end of the day the government basically forced the shut down by forcing them to study other things.

Maybe in fighting and haskala influence led them to be in this situation that they were in, but that's not what closed the yeshiva.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #302 on: February 01, 2018, 10:53:16 AM »
Exactly. At the end of the day the government basically forced the shut down by forcing them to study other things.

Maybe in fighting and haskala influence led them to be in this situation that they were in, but that's not what closed the yeshiva.

Read the book and get back to me.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #303 on: February 05, 2018, 08:51:17 PM »
Anybody know anything about, or have been to, the Glen Cove Resort program?

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #304 on: February 05, 2018, 08:58:50 PM »
Anybody know anything about, or have been to, the Glen Cove Resort program?

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is it being run by the same guy that dave321 was talking about earlier

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #305 on: February 05, 2018, 09:05:26 PM »
is it being run by the same guy that dave321 was talking about earlier
I think that was Princeton NJ, but I have no clue if the same person is running. The phone number is different (which could mean absolutely nothing though)

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #306 on: February 05, 2018, 09:15:13 PM »
I think that was Princeton NJ, but I have no clue if the same person is running. The phone number is different (which could mean absolutely nothing though)
do they have a website

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #307 on: February 05, 2018, 09:21:38 PM »
I think that was Princeton NJ, but I have no clue if the same person is running. The phone number is different (which could mean absolutely nothing though)
Pretty sure its the same guy.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #308 on: February 05, 2018, 09:30:16 PM »
do they have a website
None advertised

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #309 on: February 05, 2018, 09:52:09 PM »
Pretty sure its the same guy.
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Similar ads, same lineup of rabbis, entertainers, etc.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #310 on: February 06, 2018, 09:55:10 AM »
Any recommendations for programs in Tristate area (any budget)? How much did it cost in the end?


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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #311 on: February 06, 2018, 07:48:43 PM »
Anybody know anything about, or have been to, the Glen Cove Resort program?

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post pic of the ad

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #312 on: February 09, 2018, 01:05:31 PM »
Well, here's another program: https://ffhpesach.com/

Seems to cater to a specific crowd. And while the Rav Hamachshir is rather experienced, not so sure if he's organizationally qualified for such an undertaking. Kashrus of such a program is not a one man show, even when you have a cooperative crowd and organizers.
don't know anything about that program but why would you disparage someone on a public forum

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #313 on: February 09, 2018, 01:11:33 PM »
don't know anything about that program but why would you disparage someone on a public forum
Not disparaging, he is actually a personal friend of mine, but with all due respect, I am not sure about the organizational qualifications.

Given the crowd this is targeted at, it might be different, as I would presume that everyone in attendance has similar kashrus standards, so not really imposing any higher standard on anyone, but with all due respect and friendship, he is a one man operation (albeit with quite a bit of experience). Pesach on the Mountain hires Rabbi Laibel Miller who has tremendous experience in catering kosher getaways, but still gets the OK (and I am guessing it's not only for marketing purposes, but possibly for organizational backup).
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #314 on: February 09, 2018, 01:12:35 PM »
Not disparaging, he is actually a personal friend of mine, but with all due respect, I am not sure about the organizational qualifications.

Given the crowd this is targeted at, it might be different, as I would presume that everyone in attendance has similar kashrus standards, so not really imposing any higher standard on anyone, but with all due respect and friendship, he is a one man operation (albeit with quite a bit of experience). Pesach on the Mountain hires Rabbi Laibel Miller who has tremendous experience in catering kosher getaways, but still gets the OK (and I am guessing it's not only for marketing purposes, but possibly for organizational backup).
with friends like that who needs enemies

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #315 on: February 09, 2018, 01:15:42 PM »
Not disparaging, he is actually a personal friend of mine, but with all due respect, I am not sure about the organizational qualifications.

Given the crowd this is targeted at, it might be different, as I would presume that everyone in attendance has similar kashrus standards, so not really imposing any higher standard on anyone, but with all due respect and friendship, he is a one man operation (albeit with quite a bit of experience). Pesach on the Mountain hires Rabbi Laibel Miller who has tremendous experience in catering kosher getaways, but still gets the OK (and I am guessing it's not only for marketing purposes, but possibly for organizational backup).
What do you mean by organizational back up? are you referring to resources like equipment or a knowledgeable?

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #316 on: February 09, 2018, 01:20:24 PM »
What do you mean by organizational back up? are you referring to resources like equipment or a knowledgeable?
Resources. Equipment and/or personnel.

I am sure people with more inside knowledge about running Pesach programs and hashgocho can chime in with better details of what would be needed to do things.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #317 on: February 09, 2018, 01:24:06 PM »
Resources. Equipment and/or personnel.

I am sure people with more inside knowledge about running Pesach programs and hashgocho can chime in with better details of what would be needed to do things.
Equipment can be rented.
Other than equipment, what resources would a organization be able to provide that he can't get himself?
Either way, if you know what you're doing in terms of both kashering and working with hotel kitchen equipment and you hire competent mashgichiem I don't see why you would need an organization to sign off on the job.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #318 on: February 09, 2018, 01:28:05 PM »
Equipment can be rented.
Other than equipment, what resources would a organization be able to provide that he can't get himself?
Either way, if you know what you're doing in terms of both kashering and working with hotel kitchen equipment and you hire competent mashgichiem I don't see why you would need an organization to sign off on the job.

When Kashrus is not your exclusive occupation, how do you know that you will be able to hire sufficiently competent mashgichim?

I really don't want to descend into the specifics of this one, though I will ask some questions after Shabbos bl"n. My point is about the fact that Hashgocho for a catered event is very complicated and different than many other types of Hashgochos. On Pesach is so much more complicated, especially if you claim (or imply) a certain standard.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #319 on: February 09, 2018, 01:46:27 PM »
When Kashrus is not your exclusive occupation, how do you know that you will be able to hire sufficiently competent mashgichim?
Right, because the agencies always get sufficiently competent mashgichim...