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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #620 on: April 02, 2023, 10:58:17 PM »
Is timeline correct?
2019 -major issues he called hotel/vendors ganovim
2020 - Covid
2021- seems major issues on costumers coming for free, blaming on some shady gevir sponsor ( that he did not know about)
2022 - everything was fine up to Pesach, additional orders over yom tov was problematic, vendors are still not paid
2023 - phishing scam
Something does not add up.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #621 on: April 02, 2023, 11:05:08 PM »
Is timeline correct?
2019 -major issues he called hotel/vendors ganovim
2020 - Covid
2021- seems major issues on costumers coming for free, blaming on some shady gevir sponsor ( that he did not know about)
2022 - everything was fine up to Pesach, additional orders over yom tov was problematic, vendors are still not paid
2023 - phishing scam
Something does not add up.

Only thing that doesn't add up is why people are still signing up for his programs after the previous three had those issues.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #622 on: April 02, 2023, 11:24:39 PM »
Whay is it called Aryeh hospitality?
Was it one dream event?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #623 on: April 03, 2023, 08:21:03 AM »
I order an item from Amazon. The night before delivery someone breaks into the Amazon warehouse and steals my product. Amazon calls me and says I hope you have insurance, because we aren't refunding you. Thats what I took out of the podcast ::)
I don't think that insurance even covers in such cases

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #624 on: April 03, 2023, 08:49:11 AM »
@Something Fishy

As someone who has operated tour programs in the past, what percentage of funds collected would you estimate to still remaining in the operators hands at this point? Sure most of the hotel bills have been allegedly paid, food deposits and other expenses that had to be prepaid, etc. But there has to be a percentage of money available at this point.

What would you estimate this to be?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #625 on: April 03, 2023, 08:50:48 AM »
I don't count other people's money.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #626 on: April 03, 2023, 08:57:47 AM »
This is like a live reading of a Jackie Mason bit

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #627 on: April 03, 2023, 09:10:59 AM »
@Something Fishy

As someone who has operated tour programs in the past, what percentage of funds collected would you estimate to still remaining in the operators hands at this point? Sure most of the hotel bills have been allegedly paid, food deposits and other expenses that had to be prepaid, etc. But there has to be a percentage of money available at this point.

What would you estimate this to be?

Back of the napkin math.
700 paid guests x $4,500 p/p=$3,600,000
400 rooms x $150 avg cost p/n x 10 nights=$600,000
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #628 on: April 03, 2023, 10:11:33 AM »
I don't count other people's money.

May this be because you're too busy counting your own

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #629 on: April 03, 2023, 07:20:22 PM »
Is timeline correct?
2019 -major issues he called hotel/vendors ganovim
2020 - Covid
2021- seems major issues on costumers coming for free, blaming on some shady gevir sponsor ( that he did not know about)
2022 - everything was fine up to Pesach, additional orders over yom tov was problematic, vendors are still not paid
2023 - phishing scam
Something does not add up.
ive been to several of his programs including pesach 2022. he doesnt claim to be a five star event and he isnt and therefore doesnt charge the same as other places. we were generally happy with our experiences
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #630 on: April 03, 2023, 07:25:15 PM »
May this be because you're too busy counting your own

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #631 on: April 03, 2023, 11:54:54 PM »
He's also dabbled in music - perhaps he could have saved money and performed himself:

https://www.thejewishinsights.com/wp/heshy-goldstein-releases-single-tumid/
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #632 on: April 04, 2023, 12:22:28 AM »
He's also dabbled in music - perhaps he could have saved money and performed himself:

https://www.thejewishinsights.com/wp/heshy-goldstein-releases-single-tumid/

Doesn't sound like it....
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #633 on: April 04, 2023, 09:41:22 PM »
Is timeline correct?
2019 -major issues he called hotel/vendors ganovim
2020 - Covid
2021- seems major issues on costumers coming for free, blaming on some shady gevir sponsor ( that he did not know about)
2022 - everything was fine up to Pesach, additional orders over yom tov was problematic, vendors are still not paid
2023 - phishing scam
Something does not add up.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220118010100/https://matzav.com/heshy-goldstein-heres-the-story-of-my-shavuos-nightmare/

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #635 on: April 04, 2023, 11:22:26 PM »
He should start writing novels  ;D
nah it’s always the same story

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #636 on: April 04, 2023, 11:30:44 PM »
nah it’s always the same story

So Jewish novels then….. ;)

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #637 on: April 05, 2023, 03:06:22 PM »
As someone who had a friend that was a compulsive gambler, who borrowed and “took investments” from everyone that trusted them and never paid back, I have learnt a few things:

1. They don’t necessarily mean bad when they take your money. They can be capable of starting a legitimate business, and intend for it to go to a real investment, but once the money is in their hands, it becomes a super-addictive drug, and they can’t help but gamble it.

2. When they gamble, they convince themselves that they will double or triple the money in a matter of days, and nobody will even know that the money was missing for a few days.

3. Gambling leads to more gambling. When the gamble goes bad, they become even more tied up in a web of debt, and more desperate to score a big “win” to free them from their crippling debt. The more desperate, the greater the gamble they are willing to take.

The story unfolding here is giving me those vibes. I am getting a feeling that he tried using this money to make a quick fortune in some investment (maybe crypto?) that someone might have talked him into, and it went badly. He was supposed to have the money back quickly, and “nobody would even notice”.

The story of the phishing email is too embelished. He was talking with an FBI agent, but couldn’t remember the agents’ name? He keeps going on and on about how other people were also scammed by phishing, as if to lend credibility to his story. If the story were true, there is no reason to babble about it and sugarcoat it.

If my feeling is correct, then he does not have any money or plan. What they tend to do is try to push it off as much as possible, hoping upon hope that they will somehow be able to get money from somewhere, even to go as far as trying to Ponzi-scheme their way into paying back part of the money.

Lastly, the people that tend to be nicest to the scammer are the victims. The reason is that they are so scared of losing their money that they don’t want to “rock the boat”. They are hoping that by being nice, he won’t abandon them and leave them hanging. The scammer inherently knows this, and that is why he kept shouting in the interview that he doesn’t want to speak to anyone who was not part of the Pesach program.

I hope I am wrong.




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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #638 on: April 10, 2023, 12:31:01 PM »


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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #639 on: April 10, 2023, 12:34:20 PM »



There are so many programs run by people with zero other food service experience. How can they even plan properly to not have tons of issues?
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