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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #840 on: April 23, 2023, 07:00:42 PM »
I think I have some proof, but I need to talk to a Bais Din to determine next steps.

It looks like he lives in Toms River. Anyone have a contact in a Bais Din that I can speak to?
@Dan I davened in the same shul as HG's rov Friday night and I'm pretty close to him.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #841 on: April 23, 2023, 07:00:52 PM »
Does anyone know this bookkeeper? Is he a real person? Why has nobody contacted him to corroborate the story?
The bookkeeper has one connection on a dormant LinkedIn page. Thatís all I was able to find on him.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #842 on: April 23, 2023, 07:01:29 PM »

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #843 on: April 23, 2023, 07:02:34 PM »
Wild interview.


-HG only forwarded the scammers email to the FBI email on 4/19.


This is the one piece I canít believe no one asked him.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #844 on: April 23, 2023, 07:03:32 PM »
I've seen dozens of these type of scams in my career. It's not a chidush to receive them if your in any field that handles lots of wires.

I don't know any details of anything here.

Please duplicate it and post back. See if you can do this in your own account. Get a second email address that was not originally part of a thread to show up in the middle of a thread.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #845 on: April 23, 2023, 07:06:38 PM »
Please duplicate it and post back. See if you can do this in your own account. Get a second email address that was not originally part of a thread to show up in the middle of a thread.
Where do you see that it showed up in the same thread? To me it looked like it was a new email chain in Gmail's UI, but included the body of the previous thread.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #846 on: April 23, 2023, 07:08:27 PM »
This is the one piece I canít believe no one asked him.
This part (alone) wouldnt bother me. Maybe it took the FBI a couple weeks to open the case, and only started collecting evidence recently.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #847 on: April 23, 2023, 07:10:10 PM »
This part (alone) wouldnt bother me. Maybe it took the FBI a couple weeks to open the case, and only started collecting evidence recently.
So then he lied last time when he said that the FBI was on the case?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #848 on: April 23, 2023, 07:12:38 PM »
So then he lied last time when he said that the FBI was on the case?
Embellished maybe? "The FBI is looking into it" meant that he called the FBI, spoke to a low level employee, and they said they'd get back to him. Not so crazy (unlike some other parts of this).

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #849 on: April 23, 2023, 07:15:42 PM »
I was able to replicate it with a second email that is a forwarding address of my first. Don't want to post screenshots as it's my personal emails, but I'll describe the processes that worked for me.

I started a conversation between email 1 and email 3 with a few emails back and forth. Then, when responding from email 1, I had the option to click on the "From" section and to instead select email 2, which is a forward email of email 1. When the email arrived at email 3, it was part of the same string, and it was email 2, not email 1.

Note, that there was no option to click on "from" when sending from email 3, because there was no forwarding email associated with it. So this would only work if the scammer account is connected with one of the accounts on the chain.

Maybe there is another way, but this was one way that worked for me.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #850 on: April 23, 2023, 07:23:23 PM »
Email screenshot at 2:23:00, seems to show a 25K wire.
1) they were supposed to be paying $90k according to their agreement.
2) my belief is that they got scammed (out of $25k) but they were losing money anyways (not enough guests) - so they used this as an excuse to shut it down. He never mentions the amount of money he got scammed out of - makes me believe that it was a (relatively) small amount.


ETA: listened back the first interview. He says that they sent multiple wires (to the scammer) on that day (as money came in). If that's the case, then it's likely more than $25k.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #851 on: April 23, 2023, 07:25:09 PM »
No comments on pesach programs , never been .

But elan kornblum lost any legitimacy 10 years ago at the mesora dinner fiasco. I had food poisoning etc and he was all about well no lh, judge favorably etc etc you did eat a grasshopper etc etc


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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #852 on: April 23, 2023, 07:31:17 PM »
Does anyone know this bookkeeper? Is he a real person? Why has nobody contacted him to corroborate the story?
There's someone with that name who lives in Boro Park.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #853 on: April 23, 2023, 07:48:56 PM »
1) they were supposed to be paying $90k according to their agreement.
2) my belief is that they got scammed (out of $25k) but they were losing money anyways (not enough guests) - so they used this as an excuse to shut it down. He never mentions the amount of money he got scammed out of - makes me believe that it was a (relatively) small amount.


ETA: listened back the first interview. He says that they sent multiple wires (to the scammer) on that day (as money came in). If that's the case, then it's likely more than $25k.
I agree with 2. I believe he's lying about the other wires.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #854 on: April 23, 2023, 07:53:58 PM »
No one in this story comes off well. Zev Brenner has a paid sponsor on as a supposed unbiased third party arbiter of Pesach program scaminess, an unbiased judge who wants to submit HG to a polygraph in the same breath as saying they are inadmissible as evidence (due to being unreliable), HG is clearly lying about all kinds of stuff even if he did get scammed, those with prior beefs with HG kept them private from unsuspecting consumers and now are claiming some sort of moral high ground in just wishing people get their money back, and ZB did a piss poor job of controlling the interview, he would complain HG was not answering questions, but would get defensive at the attacks from HG and go on tangents himself.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #855 on: April 23, 2023, 08:02:39 PM »
This conversation is so juicy that I keep getting tempted to post some sort of Lashon Harah about some of those involved, but I have no connection and there's absolutely no toeles for me.

Is there a fictional account of a similar nature that I can pontificate about without the potential of it being Lashon Harah?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #856 on: April 23, 2023, 08:08:52 PM »



-HG only forwarded the scammers email to the FBI email on 4/19.


I wonder if that was when it was requested from him.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #857 on: April 23, 2023, 08:09:38 PM »
Email screenshot at 2:23:00, seems to show a 25K wire.
He canceled and lost everyone's money over a 25k loss?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #858 on: April 23, 2023, 08:09:59 PM »
I think I have some proof, but I need to talk to a Bais Din to determine next steps.

It looks like he lives in Toms River. Anyone have a contact in a Bais Din that I can speak to?
Rabbi Marburger?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #859 on: April 23, 2023, 08:11:33 PM »
This conversation is so juicy that I keep getting tempted to post some sort of Lashon Harah
It's fine - you already did. No need to get all haughty ;)

Without commenting on the substance of the matter ...snip...