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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #90 on: January 28, 2018, 06:04:45 PM »
Umm not at all.
Price is not printed because the trip owners donít want it printed.
Kashrus isnít printed because travelers donít care.
You're free to make such assumptions.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #91 on: January 28, 2018, 06:07:13 PM »
+1000

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Anyone know the current conversion rate from plusses to likes?
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #92 on: January 28, 2018, 06:14:05 PM »

Anyone know the current conversion rate from plusses to likes?
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That depends if one is on tapa or web.

Likes are truly priceless on Tapa.

But on the web itís easy to just click likes away (though limited to one per post, with some noted exceptions), while giving pluses requires replying, typing, and in a highly active thread verifying after additional replies were posted, so given the greater effort they must have a lot more value.

Then OTOH likes have been a major contributor in eradicating world hunger, no evidence of such a benefit from plusses.

Try to check the points value thread for answers.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #93 on: January 28, 2018, 06:14:23 PM »
All you need to do is print the name of the certifying agency. If itís reputable then it speaks for itself.
And of course price is a big deciding factor. But for a high-end places itís not mentioned because theyíre not competing on price, they compete in quality. Much easier to sell high-end when you donít talk about price.
+1 and there are those who do advertise the hechsher for that reason. They have a different crowd than many of these other places.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #94 on: January 28, 2018, 06:17:24 PM »
, and in a highly active thread verifying after additional replies were posted,
unless you disabled that notification here
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?action=profile;area=theme
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #95 on: January 28, 2018, 06:24:57 PM »


Anyone know the current conversion rate from plusses to likes?
 



That depends if one is on tapa or web.

Likes are truly priceless on Tapa.

Other forums have likes on Tapa. Not sure why DDF doesn't

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #96 on: January 28, 2018, 06:26:48 PM »
Can anyone post a link or ad for a program that has an actual mainstream big hashgocha? I haven't seen any. Guess why?
For the most part they have fly by night, second tier "rabbonim", who all of a sudden have become professionals in the intricate details of catering a commercial pesach for for hundreds..

There are a few options, non are good..


(Its ironic that I generally would actually advocate for a rabbi to take responsibility instead of a faceless organization... My question still stands.)

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #97 on: January 28, 2018, 06:39:57 PM »
Can anyone post a link or ad for a program that has an actual mainstream big hashgocha? I haven't seen any. Guess why?
For the most part they have fly by night, second tier "rabbonim", who all of a sudden have become professionals in the intricate details of catering a commercial pesach for for hundreds..

There are a few options, non are good..


(Its ironic that I generally would actually advocate for a rabbi to take responsibility instead of a faceless organization... My question still stands.)

I have seen under the OU. Many have OU etc mashgichim and RCs who are in charge of the kashrus and plenty experienced in the intricacies of hotels.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #98 on: January 28, 2018, 06:45:47 PM »
Can anyone post a link or ad for a program that has an actual mainstream big hashgocha? I haven't seen any. Guess why?
For the most part they have fly by night, second tier "rabbonim", who all of a sudden have become professionals in the intricate details of catering a commercial pesach for for hundreds..

There are a few options, non are good..


(Its ironic that I generally would actually advocate for a rabbi to take responsibility instead of a faceless organization... My question still stands.)
I did a quick Google image search and it seems that there are quite a few that write the hashgocha.


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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #99 on: January 28, 2018, 06:50:36 PM »
I did a quick Google image search and it seems that there are quite a few that write the hashgocha.

Only 2 are well known hashgochos.

KAJ does a number of places IIRC
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #100 on: January 28, 2018, 06:54:02 PM »
Only 2 are well known hashgochos.

KAJ does a number of places IIRC
Correction-only 2 are well known hashgoch is in America

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #101 on: January 28, 2018, 06:54:30 PM »
Even among those who do mention some sort of kashrut oversight I donít see separate swimming mentioned in any of the ads. Is that something that is even less of a selling point?

The Pesach hotel debate is nothing new:

https://www.vosizneias.com/post/read/29392//2009/03/25/jerusalem-israeli-gedolim-caution-against-going-to-hotels-for-pesach/all_comments

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/us/celebrating-passoverwith-allthe-comforts-ofaresort.amp.html


http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=11578.0;wap2

 This quote seems to confirm my first point:
 Rabbi Oberstein explains why many observant Jews (particularly Chasidim) refrain from eating gbrochs ó anything containing matzoh that might have come into contact with liquid. It is not so much a halachic concern as a family tradition. ďSome people who have no problem with mixed swimming or swimming on Shabbos would never touch gbrochs.Ē
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #102 on: January 28, 2018, 07:57:44 PM »
Only 2 are well known hashgochos.

KAJ does a number of places IIRC
+1

Kaj and star k
On 2 places. Never seen an OU

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #103 on: January 28, 2018, 08:19:20 PM »
+1

Kaj and star k
On 2 places. Never seen an OU
I have. Pesach at the Granit used to but they closed.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #104 on: January 28, 2018, 08:24:22 PM »
Correction-only 2 are well known hashgoch is in America

+1

Rav Cremisi is well known in Montreal. And Rabbi Eliezer Wolff is well known in Europe. Both are kashrus experts.