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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #980 on: April 24, 2023, 09:01:47 AM »
Have no plans of attending a Pesach program and can do my due-diligence, Iím just wondering whatís expected from someone on the street. Sadly, if someone wants to keep playing these games not much will stand in their way.
It should not be terribly difficult to make sure that the person has some sort of reputation and find out what that is
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #981 on: April 24, 2023, 09:19:03 AM »
It should not be terribly difficult to make sure that the person has some sort of reputation and find out what that is
Vast majority of attendees have no clue who is behind the program.
They see an ad, they have family going, they see influencers going, they sign up.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #982 on: April 24, 2023, 09:55:27 AM »
Has any1 reached out to the Claridge(r) for comment?
Seems like Sinai did.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #983 on: April 24, 2023, 09:56:27 AM »
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #984 on: April 24, 2023, 10:08:04 AM »
Link?
He says on the program that the clardige told him they are going to be suing HG for breach of contract so they couldnít comment.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #985 on: April 24, 2023, 10:12:36 AM »
He says on the program that the clardige told him they are going to be suing HG for breach of contract so they couldnít comment.
I guess that's why they aren't responding.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #986 on: April 24, 2023, 10:12:57 AM »
Seems like Sinai did.
Did anyone not part of the program reach out for comment?
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #987 on: April 24, 2023, 10:14:55 AM »
Did anyone not part of the program reach out for comment?
He was not part of the program this year

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #988 on: April 24, 2023, 10:17:26 AM »
Vast majority of attendees have no clue who is behind the program.
They see an ad, they have family going, they see influencers going, they sign up.
People who don't check anything at all before booking a program are not the target of any post you would make either. There could be plenty of negative stuff and they wouldn't know anyhow.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #989 on: April 24, 2023, 10:20:30 AM »
People who don't check anything at all before booking a program are not the target of any post you would make either. There could be plenty of negative stuff and they wouldn't know anyhow.

My thought is that more than the consumers, the more warnings there are about the individual himself, the less likely it will be for vendors, performers, and investors to work with him (as it is far more likely they will know who is behind the program than consumers). Hopefully that would help prevent him getting far enough to even have a program to advertise to consumers.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #990 on: April 24, 2023, 10:21:51 AM »
People who don't check anything at all before booking a program are not the target of any post you would make either. There could be plenty of negative stuff and they wouldn't know anyhow.

That is not everyone though. Some people probably do check. An article would accomplish two things: 1. people will read it 2. It will remain in Google search. If someone types in HGís name or any of his affiliates, the article will come up.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #991 on: April 24, 2023, 10:28:36 AM »
People who don't check anything at all before booking a program are not the target of any post you would make either. There could be plenty of negative stuff and they wouldn't know anyhow.
Yes, but their friends are.
I have a friend who's spaced out (techwise) and when he told me that his flight was delayed for 24 hours i immediately posted it here on the forum and a few people posted how to get money back. I sent it to him and he received $2400 (for 2 delayed flights) within the month. Its only because i hang out here that i knew that he deserved compensation.
Same is when your neighbor or cousin tells you that they are planning to go to a hotel for Pesach you'll hopefully help them to check out the one they are planning on going to.

We need to start caring about other's instead of focusing on ourselves. What i mean to say is that we are so busy about not being Over on Loshon Hara that we are willing to let people lose their pants, women and kids get mo-lested, Rebbeim destroy our kids, speakers who aren't fitting teachers to poison our friends, and so much more...

What about others? So you may slip and get a little Gehenim. It's not worth it to save your friends, neighbors, relatives, and fellow congregants?
Enough Is Enough!
Rash"i: D"H: So you may slip: So you may slip after getting a Psak to yes speak about it.
Rash"i: D"H: and get a little gehenim: For saying too much.
Rash"i: D"H: It's not worth it: the little Gehenim
Rash"i: D"H: to save your friends etc. And save loads of people?
Rash"i: D"H: Enough is enough!: Being selfish and only worried about ones self.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #992 on: April 24, 2023, 10:29:43 AM »
Vast majority of attendees have no clue who is behind the program.
They see an ad, they have family going, they see influencers going, they sign up.
We should be calling out the influencers (speakers, entertainers, IG, etc) as well! They have a responsibility to their customers to know what they're selling!

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #993 on: April 24, 2023, 10:35:38 AM »
Looking back at some of the court filings, itís mind boggling that this guy can operate a Pesach program and be allowed to handle hundreds of thousands (maybe millions?) of dollars.

He has a fresh Chapter 13 bankruptcy filing in July 2022 where he declares that he owes out millions of dollars to creditors and does not have a penny to his name.

There is a lien on his Toms River home from a creditor that he owes more than 200K to. A judge has literally greenlit the creditor a couple weeks ago to collect on that asset (i.e. start foreclosure proceedings on his home).

Iím surprised the hotel didnít do a credit check on him before allowing him to enter into a contract.

He wants everyone to leave him alone now so that he can run more programs and use that money to pay everyone back. Yet many people seem to just scream ďmotzie shem raĒ.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #994 on: April 24, 2023, 10:37:23 AM »
Simple question:

When presented with evidence that someone impersonated *them* and diverted *their funds*, the Claridge - instead of spareheading the subsequent investigation - sent HG on his way?

Have a great day.
Additionally:

As HG was scrolling through his emails on screen, I took two screenshots.

He was in breach of contract in January already.

He was also behind schedule on a revised payment plan in February, and was engaged in regular communication with the hotel.


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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #995 on: April 24, 2023, 10:37:50 AM »
Looking back at some of the court filings, itís mind boggling that this guy can operate a Pesach program and be allowed to handle hundreds of thousands (maybe millions?) of dollars.

He has a fresh Chapter 13 bankruptcy filing in July 2022 where he declares that he owes out millions of dollars to creditors and does not have a penny to his name.

There is a lien on his Toms River home from a creditor that he owes more than 200K to. A judge has literally greenlit the creditor a couple weeks ago to collect on that asset (i.e. start foreclosure proceedings on his home).

Iím surprised the hotel didnít do a credit check on him before allowing him to enter into a contract.

He wants everyone to leave him alone now so that he can run more programs and use that money to pay everyone back. Yet many people seem to just scream ďmotzie shem raĒ.
New Jersey doesnít have a homestead law?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #996 on: April 24, 2023, 10:56:38 AM »
Vast majority of attendees have no clue who is behind the program.
They see an ad, they have family going, they see influencers going, they sign up.

I would add that seeing an ad on a site like DD would give it a certain amount of credibility in my eyes, as opposed to say, YWN.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #997 on: April 24, 2023, 10:58:01 AM »
My thought is that more than the consumers, the more warnings there are about the individual himself, the less likely it will be for vendors, performers, and investors to work with him (as it is far more likely they will know who is behind the program than consumers). Hopefully that would help prevent him getting far enough to even have a program to advertise to consumers.
That is not everyone though. Some people probably do check. An article would accomplish two things: 1. people will read it 2. It will remain in Google search. If someone types in HGís name or any of his affiliates, the article will come up.

Yes, but their friends are.
I have a friend who's spaced out (techwise) and when he told me that his flight was delayed for 24 hours i immediately posted it here on the forum and a few people posted how to get money back. I sent it to him and he received $2400 (for 2 delayed flights) within the month. Its only because i hang out here that i knew that he deserved compensation.
Same is when your neighbor or cousin tells you that they are planning to go to a hotel for Pesach you'll hopefully help them to check out the one they are planning on going to.

We need to start caring about other's instead of focusing on ourselves. What i mean to say is that we are so busy about not being Over on Loshon Hara that we are willing to let people lose their pants, women and kids get mo-lested, Rebbeim destroy our kids, speakers who aren't fitting teachers to poison our friends, and so much more...
What about others? So you may slip and get a little Gehenim. It's not worth it to save your friends, neighbors, relatives, and fellow congregants?
Enough Is Enough!

It seems to me that you are not following the conversation. I was explaining why there is a benefit to a post even though he changes names and entities. It may be true that there are those who refuse to be helped, but they are not the target anyhow.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #998 on: April 24, 2023, 10:59:16 AM »
I would add that seeing an ad on a site like DD would give it a certain amount of credibility in my eyes, as opposed to say, YWN.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #999 on: April 24, 2023, 11:00:44 AM »
An אנזעצער isn't necessarily a scammer and a crook, but he's an אנזעצער and that would be emphasized.

A chronic אנזעצער is usually a crook and often a scammer too.