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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #80 on: January 28, 2018, 05:42:18 PM »


Why are you assuming that I am assuming that people don't inquire about the Hashgocho?

I didn't c"v mean to say that they don't have a Hashgocho, but the purpose of advertising is to get people to buy. The fact that these ads work even without listing Hashgochos is what I am talking about.

The selling points of the program are the facility, the entertainment, the attractions, etc. The quality of the Kashrus isn't a selling point (well for Smillow it does seem to be, yet still without a name behind the Kashrus claims IN THE PRINT AD).

 The fact that kashrus is not a selling point for most people should not be so shocking to you, the only other explanation that I could come up with for your bewilderment was that you assumed they don't care at all. But thankfully I see I'm mistaken.
You should note that although it may not be a selling point,  kashrus could still very well be a priority for people-
Just as price, which is probably the single most important factor in people's decision is not mentioned in the ad because its not (in this case) a selling point.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #81 on: January 28, 2018, 05:47:58 PM »

 The fact that kashrus is not a selling point for most people should not be so shocking to you, the only other explanation that I could come up with for your bewilderment was that you assumed they don't care at all. But thankfully I see I'm mistaken.
You should note that although it may not be a selling point,  kashrus could still very well be a priority for people-
Just as price, which is probably the single most important factor in people's decision is not mentioned in the ad because its not (in this case) a selling point.

If price was a selling point it would be mentioned in the ad. That’s why the junky places advertise price because that’s the only way to sell it. You don’t mention price when the experience is better than other places and you charge a premium for that. OTOH good kashrus should always be a selling point that interests everyone.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #82 on: January 28, 2018, 05:51:02 PM »

If price was a selling point it would be mentioned in the ad. That’s why the junky places advertise price because that’s the only way to sell it. You don’t mention price when the experience is better than other places and you charge a premium for that. OTOH good kashrus should always be a selling point that interests everyone.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #83 on: January 28, 2018, 05:51:28 PM »


If price was a selling point it would be mentioned in the ad. That’s why the junky places advertise price because that’s the only way to sell it. You don’t mention price when the experience is better than other places and you charge a premium for that. OTOH good kashrus should always be a selling point that interests everyone.

How do you advertise "better kashrus", that differentiates yourself from the others?
 Also, I agree price is not a selling point at these high end programs but I can guarantee you that price is the most important aspect effecting the decision.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #84 on: January 28, 2018, 05:54:30 PM »

How do you advertise "better kashrus", that differentiates yourself from the others?
 Also, I agree price is not a selling point at these high end programs but I can guarantee you that price is the most important aspect effecting the decision.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #85 on: January 28, 2018, 05:57:34 PM »

How do you advertise "better kashrus", that differentiates yourself from the others?
 Also, I agree price is not a selling point at these high end programs but I can guarantee you that price is the most important aspect effecting the decision.

All you need to do is print the name of the certifying agency. If it’s reputable then it speaks for itself.
And of course price is a big deciding factor. But for a high-end places it’s not mentioned because they’re not competing on price, they compete in quality. Much easier to sell high-end when you don’t talk about price.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #86 on: January 28, 2018, 05:57:50 PM »
Who said it has to be better? ומי יתן כל עם ה’ נביאים! Let them all be highest standards! (Whether that is at all possible on Pesach is a different discussion. )
Perhaps that's why they dont advertise it because its not a selling point or a differentiator, but can still be of utmost importance.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #87 on: January 28, 2018, 05:58:36 PM »
All you need to do is print the name of the certifying agency. If it’s reputable then it speaks for itself.
And of course price is a big deciding factor. But for a high-end places it’s not mentioned because they’re not competing on price, they compete in quality. Much easier to sell high-end when you don’t talk about price.
So we agree, something can be of utmost importance yet be left out of the ad.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #88 on: January 28, 2018, 06:03:25 PM »
So we agree, something can be of utmost importance yet be left out of the ad.

Umm not at all.
Price is not printed because the trip owners don’t want it printed.
Kashrus isn’t printed because travelers don’t care.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #89 on: January 28, 2018, 06:04:12 PM »
Umm not at all.
Price is not printed because the trip owners don’t want it printed.
Kashrus isn’t printed because travelers don’t care.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #90 on: January 28, 2018, 06:04:45 PM »
Umm not at all.
Price is not printed because the trip owners don’t want it printed.
Kashrus isn’t printed because travelers don’t care.
You're free to make such assumptions.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #91 on: January 28, 2018, 06:07:13 PM »
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #92 on: January 28, 2018, 06:14:05 PM »

Anyone know the current conversion rate from plusses to likes?
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That depends if one is on tapa or web.

Likes are truly priceless on Tapa.

But on the web it’s easy to just click likes away (though limited to one per post, with some noted exceptions), while giving pluses requires replying, typing, and in a highly active thread verifying after additional replies were posted, so given the greater effort they must have a lot more value.

Then OTOH likes have been a major contributor in eradicating world hunger, no evidence of such a benefit from plusses.

Try to check the points value thread for answers.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #93 on: January 28, 2018, 06:14:23 PM »
All you need to do is print the name of the certifying agency. If it’s reputable then it speaks for itself.
And of course price is a big deciding factor. But for a high-end places it’s not mentioned because they’re not competing on price, they compete in quality. Much easier to sell high-end when you don’t talk about price.
+1 and there are those who do advertise the hechsher for that reason. They have a different crowd than many of these other places.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #94 on: January 28, 2018, 06:17:24 PM »
, and in a highly active thread verifying after additional replies were posted,
unless you disabled that notification here
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #95 on: January 28, 2018, 06:24:57 PM »


Anyone know the current conversion rate from plusses to likes?
 



That depends if one is on tapa or web.

Likes are truly priceless on Tapa.

Other forums have likes on Tapa. Not sure why DDF doesn't

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #96 on: January 28, 2018, 06:26:48 PM »
Can anyone post a link or ad for a program that has an actual mainstream big hashgocha? I haven't seen any. Guess why?
For the most part they have fly by night, second tier "rabbonim", who all of a sudden have become professionals in the intricate details of catering a commercial pesach for for hundreds..

There are a few options, non are good..


(Its ironic that I generally would actually advocate for a rabbi to take responsibility instead of a faceless organization... My question still stands.)

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #97 on: January 28, 2018, 06:39:57 PM »
Can anyone post a link or ad for a program that has an actual mainstream big hashgocha? I haven't seen any. Guess why?
For the most part they have fly by night, second tier "rabbonim", who all of a sudden have become professionals in the intricate details of catering a commercial pesach for for hundreds..

There are a few options, non are good..


(Its ironic that I generally would actually advocate for a rabbi to take responsibility instead of a faceless organization... My question still stands.)

I have seen under the OU. Many have OU etc mashgichim and RCs who are in charge of the kashrus and plenty experienced in the intricacies of hotels.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #98 on: January 28, 2018, 06:45:47 PM »
Can anyone post a link or ad for a program that has an actual mainstream big hashgocha? I haven't seen any. Guess why?
For the most part they have fly by night, second tier "rabbonim", who all of a sudden have become professionals in the intricate details of catering a commercial pesach for for hundreds..

There are a few options, non are good..


(Its ironic that I generally would actually advocate for a rabbi to take responsibility instead of a faceless organization... My question still stands.)
I did a quick Google image search and it seems that there are quite a few that write the hashgocha.


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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #99 on: January 28, 2018, 06:50:36 PM »
I did a quick Google image search and it seems that there are quite a few that write the hashgocha.

Only 2 are well known hashgochos.

KAJ does a number of places IIRC
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