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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #255 on: January 30, 2018, 11:38:43 PM »
Sure, most of them will. Many of them while they're mocking their own yeshiva for giving kavod to the guy.
But then there's the few who will say, maybe he chose the right path after all.

Was it all worthwhile for the yeshiva?
If the yeshiva has no money to run you get nowhere, so to answer the question, yes.
Is their negative side effects too? Yes
Would you have a problem, with the fact that the Roshei Yeshiva take off to fundraise, does that also teach what they are trying to fight?
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #256 on: January 30, 2018, 11:41:24 PM »
If the yeshiva has no money to run you get nowhere, so to answer the question, yes.
So where do you draw the line? How much hypocrisy is OK?

Would you have a problem, with the fact that the Roshei Yeshiva take off to fundraise, does that also teach what they are trying to fight?
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #257 on: January 30, 2018, 11:44:09 PM »
Sure, most of them will. Many of them while they're mocking their own yeshiva for giving kavod to the guy.
But then there's the few who will say, maybe he chose the right path after all.

Was it all worthwhile for the yeshiva?

That is a more nuanced question and Iím not sure thereís only one answer. You can be super selective in who you will accept funding from, so as not to risk influencing guys, but that may impact the resources you will have available to help those same students. What if that funding represents a smaller student/ teacher ratio, or a resource room/  guidance counselor that can address problems before they get out of control? You would be fighting to win the battle yet potentially lose the war.

The leaders of Volozhin closed down their yeshiva rather than teach secular studies. That was what they felt was the correct answer for that yeshiva. Today the answer is clearly different. Neither answer was right or wrong. It required careful cost/ benefit calculation in each instance.

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #258 on: January 30, 2018, 11:46:34 PM »
So where do you draw the line? How much hypocrisy is OK?
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That's part of the Roshei Yeshivas job, they have to be able to make these decisions.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #259 on: January 30, 2018, 11:47:27 PM »
@Dan has your yeshiva not honored you yet?  Is that what this is abt?

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #260 on: January 30, 2018, 11:49:19 PM »
@Dan has your yeshiva not honored you yet?  Is that what this is abt?
LOL. I'd turn them all down. I have no need to hear hespedim while I'm still alive, TYVM.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #261 on: January 30, 2018, 11:50:38 PM »
LOL. I'd turn them all down. I have need to hear hespedim while I'm still alive, TYVM.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #262 on: January 31, 2018, 12:02:32 AM »
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #263 on: January 31, 2018, 12:28:20 AM »
Sure, most of them will. Many of them while they're mocking their own yeshiva for giving kavod to the guy.
But then there's the few who will say, maybe he chose the right path after all.

Was it all worthwhile for the yeshiva?
I can't imagine that there would be even a few who would say maybe he picked the right path.

And about the yeshivas perspective. They don't view honoring someone who went to college as a hypocritical move. Because they view it as the wrong path but for that person alone it was the right one (due to his inability to stay in learning). And they expect the student body to understand that. As opposed to not inviting someone who's wife doesn't dress properly, which they don't see any reason to say that that is the right derech for that person.
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #264 on: January 31, 2018, 12:48:20 AM »
Lol. Paging @TimT for the thread "who's your favorite DDF member"
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #265 on: January 31, 2018, 12:50:25 AM »
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #266 on: January 31, 2018, 12:50:59 AM »
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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #267 on: January 31, 2018, 11:02:21 AM »
i want to see you walk up to him at of the blue, and (at least 25 years his junior) berate him for not looking into the hashgocha... its  easy to bash from behind a computer....
having been to multiple programs, I can say that hachana is a huge issue all programs struggle with. try to get food for 1000+ people ready in an hour. good luck

I never said to bash
I genuinely would want to understand his thinking

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #268 on: January 31, 2018, 12:48:48 PM »
i strongly hope that you are wrong . yiddishkeit only exists because we hold true to our mesorah . if someones wife dresses immodestly and we honor that person that shows that we vale his money more than our torah. i was brought up to sacrifice for what i believe in.

i apologize for being blunt but as you said yourself you were turned off from frumkeit when you were younger ... it seems like you still werent turned back on in a hashkafically correct way

What rubbish. Which mesorah do you speak of ? Sitting and learning all day and living off government funding isnt our mesorah.

Who decides what dress code is jewish? did the jews at har sinai wear black hats ?

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Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #269 on: January 31, 2018, 01:16:35 PM »
What rubbish. Which mesorah do you speak of ? Sitting and learning all day and living off government funding isnt our mesorah.

Who decides what dress code is jewish? did the jews at har sinai wear black hats ?
I'm not the right guy to defend frum people. But let's not make this too hostile. I don't know how to satisfactorily answer your disliking of people sitting and learning while being supported by the government. But it has to do with frum people's belief that learning is extremely important. Therefore they feel like they are giving something in return for the government's support.

And in regards to dress code which was the original topic you had a problem with. Dress code is part of halacha, so I'm not sure what you mean by who decides dress code. A smach to the custom for wearing a uniform (black hats) is from mitzrayim where frum people believe they didn't change the way they dressed.
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