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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #940 on: April 24, 2023, 12:46:21 AM »
The guy has been running scams for years and courts and BD have not stopped him. At this stage I would say not only is it not gossip, but it is imperative for Dan to post if he has clear evidence, lest this repeat itself next year with a new company running the program.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #941 on: April 24, 2023, 12:51:21 AM »
The guy has been running scams for years and courts and BD have not stopped him. At this stage I would say not only is it not gossip, but it is imperative for Dan to post if he has clear evidence, lest this repeat itself next year with a new company running the program.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #943 on: April 24, 2023, 12:55:32 AM »
Game changing words.
Timeline and full picture just got much clearer, but I guess I'll see if the hotel responds tomorrow before deciding what to do with it. But I definitely have most of the puzzle and evidence put together now.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #944 on: April 24, 2023, 12:57:22 AM »
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #945 on: April 24, 2023, 01:05:46 AM »
Game changing words.

I'm pretty confident Dan isn't entertaining posting something without that

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #946 on: April 24, 2023, 01:06:10 AM »
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I don't even know that we're arguing all that much

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #947 on: April 24, 2023, 01:06:36 AM »
The guy has been running scams for years and courts and BD have not stopped him. At this stage I would say not only is it not gossip, but it is imperative for Dan to post if he has clear evidence, lest this repeat itself next year with a new company running the program.
What's the rush?  Why not wait for the legal/BD process to play out, and post a PSA when it's relevant, before next year's programs?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #948 on: April 24, 2023, 01:06:43 AM »
Being moichel someone doesn't mean they're going to be the person you seek out when dealing with a sensitive question.
I have a feeling that if you would speak to him your feelings  would be much different
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #949 on: April 24, 2023, 01:08:09 AM »
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #950 on: April 24, 2023, 01:10:24 AM »
What's the rush?  Why not wait for the legal/BD process to play out, and post a PSA when it's relevant, before next year's programs?

Why are you so certain there will be legal or beis din proceedings? Even if there are, it can take many months or even years for a judgement to be rendered.

Also, he doesn’t only run Pesach programs. He runs programs all year.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #951 on: April 24, 2023, 01:13:15 AM »
What's the rush?  Why not wait for the legal/BD process to play out, and post a PSA when it's relevant, before next year's programs?

This has been going on for years, no BD or legal processes have yielded results. If you don't deal with it when it's on people's minds it will be forgotten until it's too late and next year's crew gets scammed

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #952 on: April 24, 2023, 01:21:12 AM »
This has been going on for years, no BD or legal processes have yielded results. If you don't deal with it when it's on people's minds it will be forgotten until it's too late and next year's crew gets scammed
I would think the opposite.  If you post it now, people will have forgotten it by next year. I do recall some problematic programs from past years, but don't remember the names of the organizers or companies involved.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #953 on: April 24, 2023, 01:21:48 AM »
The guy has been running scams for years and courts and BD have not stopped him. At this stage I would say not only is it not gossip, but it is imperative for Dan to post if he has clear evidence, lest this repeat itself next year with a new company running the program.

This may be true. Or maybe incorrect. Since publicly exposing someone on a public forum is likely דיני נפשות, shouldn’t this be presented to a competent rov for a psak before proceeding?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #954 on: April 24, 2023, 01:22:34 AM »
Why are you so certain there will be legal or beis din proceedings? Even if there are, it can take many months or even years for a judgement to be rendered.

Also, he doesn’t only run Pesach programs. He runs programs all year.
Okay, so before his next program is when I'd expect a PSA.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #955 on: April 24, 2023, 01:24:48 AM »
Okay, so before his next program is when I'd expect a PSA.
How would someone track that if he regularly changes info?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #956 on: April 24, 2023, 01:26:00 AM »
This may be true. Or maybe incorrect. Since publicly exposing someone on a public forum is likely דיני נפשות, shouldn’t this be presented to a competent rov for a psak before proceeding?
To be honest, he bizarrely exposed himself and it's all public already. I'm not even sure there's much of a shayla here, given that he himself made it all public?

Though he has since sent over some evidence that somewhat helps his case and fits the timeline like a glove. I'm happy I asked.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #957 on: April 24, 2023, 01:27:47 AM »
How would someone track that if he regularly changes info?
I'm wondering about that too.  So what's the PSA?  Do your due diligence, and avoid this guy, but we can't tell you what his name will be?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #958 on: April 24, 2023, 01:28:21 AM »
I'm wondering about that too.  So what's the PSA?  Do your due diligence, and avoid this guy, but we can't tell you what his name will be?
This is indeed tough.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #959 on: April 24, 2023, 01:31:29 AM »
I'm wondering about that too.  So what's the PSA?  Do your due diligence, and avoid this guy, but we can't tell you what his name will be?
Part would be to find the individual behind the entity
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