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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1220 on: May 22, 2023, 02:44:35 PM »
Obviously, determining guilt or innocence requires examining all of the evidence, which is the job of the detectives, lawyers, judges, police, FBI, victims, psychiatrists, or other people, all of whom are not me.

I just offered my interpretation of a sliver of the evidence contained in a single word.

But it seems like everyone has already said guilty
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1221 on: May 22, 2023, 03:00:52 PM »
But it seems like everyone has already said guilty

"Everyone?"
Do you mean those few people who happen to be kibitzing on DDF this month?
Or the people who actually count, as enumerated in my previous post?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1222 on: May 22, 2023, 03:03:33 PM »
"Everyone?"
Do you mean those few people who happen to be kibitzing on DDF this month?
Or the people who actually count, as enumerated in my previous post?

Both
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1223 on: May 22, 2023, 05:23:27 PM »
Whether or not he sent out the phishing email should not distract anyone from the fact that there was hundreds of thousands of dollars owed to vendors, even if the money was sent to the correct bank. The Passover trip was never happening. The alleged phishing scam, if guilty, would be the tiny cherry on top.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1224 on: May 22, 2023, 05:55:24 PM »
Whether or not he sent out the phishing email should not distract anyone from the fact that there was hundreds of thousands of dollars owed to vendors, even if the money was sent to the correct bank. The Passover trip was never happening. The alleged phishing scam, if guilty, would be the tiny cherry on top.

What proof do we have on that ?
Vendors get paid when items were delivered
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1225 on: May 22, 2023, 06:05:33 PM »
What proof do we have on that ?
Vendors get paid when items were delivered
And yet he took money up front?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1226 on: May 22, 2023, 06:22:15 PM »
And yet he took money up front?

Correct
And money went to Nigeria
What’s ur point
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1227 on: May 22, 2023, 06:23:01 PM »
What proof do we have on that ?
We do not have proof of everything.

There is though, lots of circumstantial evidence, self-incriminating information, and a giant middle finger to everyone who is out thousands of dollars.

Of course everyone hopes that this messy situation gets resolved, but it ain't looking good for the victims...

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1228 on: May 22, 2023, 06:29:35 PM »
We do not have proof of everything.

There is though, lots of circumstantial evidence, self-incriminating information, and a giant middle finger to everyone who is out thousands of dollars.

Of course everyone hopes that this messy situation gets resolved, but it ain't looking good for the victims...

If he was guilty
Wouldn’t he atleast try to apologize to them instead of giving the middle finger
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1229 on: May 22, 2023, 06:31:06 PM »
If he was guilty
Wouldn’t he atleast try to apologize to them instead of giving the middle finger
Guilty people plead not guilty in court every day.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1230 on: May 22, 2023, 06:33:33 PM »
Guilty people plead not guilty in court every day.

They plead not guilty
But they won’t terrorize the victims infront of everybody in the public
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1231 on: May 22, 2023, 06:34:11 PM »
I think ZB should have a 4th episode
With all the new facts and updates of the fbi
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1232 on: May 22, 2023, 06:34:55 PM »
If he was guilty
Wouldn’t he atleast try to apologize to them instead of giving the middle finger
He's done neither. How do you think that reflects?

What would you recommend he do at this time?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1233 on: May 22, 2023, 06:35:10 PM »
Correct
And money went to Nigeria
What’s ur point
If vendors only need to be paid after delivery, why did he need all guests to pay up front?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1234 on: May 22, 2023, 06:36:41 PM »
If vendors only need to be paid after delivery, why did he need all guests to pay up front?
When should he collect from customers, a few dollars each time an invoice is due?

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1235 on: May 22, 2023, 06:47:22 PM »
If vendors only need to be paid after delivery, why did he need all guests to pay up front?

R u serious
So after vendors drop off food, he should say please wait here and let me go to the guests to collect the money ?
He also had to pay to the hotel upfront
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1236 on: May 22, 2023, 07:12:11 PM »
The hotel + the phishing payment was not close to paying the hotel bill. No one was seeing any money back whether or not there was an alleged phishing scam.
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1237 on: May 22, 2023, 07:18:20 PM »
The hotel + the phishing payment was not close to paying the hotel bill. No one was seeing any money back whether or not there was an alleged phishing scam.

So why did he make any real payments to the hotel ?
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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1238 on: May 22, 2023, 07:29:08 PM »
So why did he make any real payments to the hotel ?
Theory: to buy time with the hotel so he had the optics of having a legit program so he can advertise and collect more. Same reason all schemes pay the first investors, to buy time and credit.

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Re: Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1239 on: May 22, 2023, 07:37:44 PM »
Theory: to buy time with the hotel so he had the optics of having a legit program so he can advertise and collect more. Same reason all schemes pay the first investors, to buy time and credit.

But if that’s true
Why did he have a legit program last yr ?
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