Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread

[Alexsei]

"כיון שאדם עבר עבירה ושנה בה, נעשה לו כהתר"

aka "Ravina's heter"

[S209]

https://frumnews.com/did-you-forward-that-message-from-your-whatsapp/

[Dave321]

pricing has gone off the rails. 20K per room for most normal programs. 2 room family is 40k pus tickets

[Something Fishy]

pricing has gone off the rails. 20K per room for most normal programs. 2 room family is 40k pus tickets

Costs have gone off the rails. The programs are not trying to suck people dry, but the situation this year is very tough. They need to charge more to make a profit but people want to (and/or are only able to) pay much less.

Signups are way down this year.

[Something Fishy]

I actually wanted to make a post about this. Poll added, please vote.

[moko]

pricing has gone off the rails. 20K per room for most normal programs. 2 room family is 40k pus tickets

define 'normal'

[aygart]

define 'normal'

Well, obviously one that needs tickets!

[jye]

Costs have gone off the rails. The programs are not trying to suck people dry, but the situation this year is very tough. They need to charge more to make a profit but people want to (and/or are only able to) pay much less.

Signups are way down this year.

Isn’t this classic supply/demand? If demand is way down at that price then pricing starts to soften up the supply chain until the price point generates more demand.

Heard TU Presidents conference was only 75% full as of a couple of days ago, taking place tomorrow. I guess for 5-6k a room it’s a tougher sell this year.

[Dave321]

define 'normal'

abundance of food with no pushing, a hotel higher then motel 6. multiple pools etc.

I am not going to mention names but there are some programs that are in a side of the road inn yet they make it like they are in a 5 star hotel. they put up tents to accomodate etc. issue is hotel doesn't have nearly enough facilities to cover the 1500 ppl.

[yfr bachur]

pricing has gone off the rails. 20K per room for most normal programs. 2 room family is 40k pus tickets

Who exactly can afford this?
AFAICT from recent posts, a frum family would need to be making well in to the $400k range!

Heard TU Presidents conference was only 75% full as of a couple of days ago, taking place tomorrow. I guess for 5-6k a room it’s a tougher sell this year.

You think? How do they defend that to their parent body when they negotiate over tuition?
Ah, you went on a nice vacation... you can afford tuition...

[Dave321]

Who exactly can afford this?
AFAICT from recent posts, a frum family would need to be making well in to the $400k range!

in previous years ive paid 10-15k and thats what im looking for.

[jye]

Who exactly can afford this?
AFAICT from recent posts, a frum family would need to be making well in to the $400k range!

It’s also creeping up toward the price where if you are hosting just a few families you can rent a place a bring along a chef for not much more.

[yfr bachur]

in previous years ive paid 10-15k and thats what im looking for.

not commenting on any guests in particular, just at that price the business case of the whole industry really starts to look a bit wobbly

[jye]

Who exactly can afford this?
AFAICT from recent posts, a frum family would need to be making well in to the $400k range!
You think? How do they defend that to their parent body when they negotiate over tuition?
Ah, you went on a nice vacation... you can afford tuition...

These are donors and fundraisers with a bunch of vacationers tagging along for the setting, not the program, in recent years. What does this have to do with tuition?

[moko]

abundance of food with no pushing, a hotel higher then motel 6. multiple pools etc.

I am not going to mention names but there are some programs that are in a side of the road inn yet they make it like they are in a 5 star hotel. they put up tents to accomodate etc. issue is hotel doesn't have nearly enough facilities to cover the 1500 ppl.

I like to think https://www.pesachtime.com/ qualifies. Definitely nicer than motel 6.

[whacked1]

You think? How do they defend that to their parent body when they negotiate over tuition?
Ah, you went on a nice vacation... you can afford tuition...

Since when do parent body get to comment on expenses incurred by the school?

[yfr bachur]

These are donors and fundraisers with a bunch of vacationers tagging along for the setting, not the program, in recent years. What does this have to do with tuition?

How can the executive director/president/board look at vacations the families took when they are running off to expensive confrences at uber upper class locations?
It makes TU and its member schools look oblivious to the struggles of the haamon am, and the fact that they are dealing with kupas hatzibur.

Since when do parent body get to comment on expenses incurred by the school?

Time to move to the tuition thread...
but A. as above, conspictuous consumption by the school leads to lack of trust in the parent body where exactly the problem lies... is it with the parents not paying enough or the C-suite of the school.
It's not like there isnt enough distrust over the school budgets already

[Dave321]

please dont hijack this as tuition thread.

I like to think https://www.pesachtime.com/ qualifies. Definitely nicer than motel 6.

yes in price but would like somewhere warm

[aygart]

abundance of food with no pushing, a hotel higher then motel 6. multiple pools etc.

This is a VERY large gap between Motel 6 and multiple pools. You seem to be defining normal as high-end but not ultra-high end.

[jye]

How can the executive director/president/board look at vacations the families took when they are running off to expensive confrences at uber upper class locations?
It makes TU and its member schools look oblivious to the struggles of the haamon am, and the fact that they are dealing with kupas hatzibur.
Time to move to the tuition thread...
but A. as above, conspictuous consumption by the school leads to lack of trust in the parent body where exactly the problem lies... is it with the parents not paying enough or the C-suite of the school.
It's not like there isnt enough distrust over the school budgets already

It’s 6k not to live it up but for directors and fundraisers to forge relationships with donors. I get the optics part but to insist that they skip to show solidarity with parents is penny wise and dollar foolish. Anyone effective is going to bring in multiples the amount spent for their mossad.