Pesach Program Discussion Master Thread

[Alexsei]

not following...

A bochur salary is cheap, he doesn't have a family to host, and he's doing other work as well

[moko]

A bochur salary is cheap, he doesn't have a family to host, and he's doing other work as well

bachur salary these days is between $160-$200 daily
You'll have at least one rav hamachshir/head mashgiach and often a second taking at least one room, often two.
If you have 7 bachrim for 12-15 days ..that's $15000 just for the bachrim+ 2-3 rooms

[UKinNYS]

I'm curious what's the average cost of Kashrus for these programs?
Just in salaries I imagine it between $35000-$50000.
That doesn't include the loss of rooms (assuming a sold out venue) and cost to host mashgichim and some of their families.

pay is less than min wage (comped stay is part of 'pay) 3- 4 guys to a room 'problem' solved

fact is room and board cost are marginal in terms of usage its lost capacity/ revenue that's the real cost - n/a unless program is sold out.

[UKinNYS]

if they are out of pocket 50k for hashgacha thats less than some families pay for a couple of rooms.

A well run program will be profitable well before its sold out, so its really a question of lost profit vs. 'cost"

[moko]

pay is less than min wage (comped stay is part of 'pay) 3- 4 guys to a room 'problem' solved

fact is room and board cost are marginal in terms of usage its lost capacity/ revenue that's the real cost - n/a unless program is sold out.

not sure which programs your referring to but that's not the case with the ones I'm familiar with.
My hotel specifically has completely been sold out the past few years . Also, even if not sold out, often they don't pay for rooms not sold if they sell a minimum

[UKinNYS]

My hotel specifically has completely been sold out the past few years . Also, even if not sold out, often they don't pay for rooms not sold if they sell a minimum

to clarify the group rate they pay the hotel is marginal relative to the rate program guests pay.

[Shegold]

One room is  20-32k !! Prices have really gone up

[moko]

One room is  20-32k !! Prices have really gone up

there are several places in $9000-15000

[Shegold]

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[AsherO]

I'm curious what's the average cost of Kashrus for these programs?
Just in salaries I imagine it between $35000-$50000.
That doesn't include the loss of rooms (assuming a sold out venue) and cost to host mashgichim and some of their families.

Kashrus is part of the cost of doing business. They’re ostensibly (per the business model) making money if they’re sold out, and they’ve already factored in the rooms they need for staff (might be inferior/inconvenient rooms that the hotel would only assign to paying guests if that’s all they have available)

[YOSSI170]

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https://www.lalechet.com/tour/Greece

[moko]

Kashrus is part of the cost of doing business. They’re ostensibly (per the business model) making money if they’re sold out, and they’ve already factored in the rooms they need for staff (might be inferior/inconvenient rooms that the hotel would only assign to paying guests if that’s all they have available)

obviously.

[moko]

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greenwald in NJ and in Tampa, Berkeley Asbury Park. FFH, Armon, etc

[Alexsei]

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I like to think https://www.pesachtime.com/ qualifies. Definitely nicer than motel 6.

[ExGingi]

[Shmobaum]

This is so refreshing
Thank you!

[YitzyS]

Belongs here?

Daas Torah About Pesach Hotels

[jye]

Sorry, I just don’t see eye to eye with this. I completely get that going to hotels is often a major compromise on kashrus standards and depending on the set up takes away a lot of the טעם of the yom tov. I get that going to Orlando for a Disney vacation with Pesach on the side, or other exotic vacations where pesach is clearly the טפל is an issue, and maybe even bordering on המבזה את המועדות.

‏ But renting a house in a warm climate to enjoy the yom tov in a home based atmosphere , especially with extended family can be a beautiful thing. It’s not my cup of tea, but it can enhance people’s simchas yom tov, create beautiful yom tov memories, and be very beneficial for a family. Getting stuck on “the craziness that the Boba and Zaidy did on pesach was holy” so we must do exactly like them, when there are so many other factors to weigh that might be far more compelling than making Bobbas Shmaltz recipe is missing the forest for the trees.

[notyettaken]

I would like to add that this "craziness" is precisely what brought about pesach hotels in the first place. People saw their mothers going nuts about pesach and said "not for me".

[skyguy918]

Felt like a lot of foundational ideas I agree with expressed in ways I don't agree with.