Author Topic: RJ Flight BKK-AMM Diverted to TLV; 118 Israelis on board allowed to disembark (Read 3259 times)

Million Miler · « **on:** January 29, 2018, 01:05:37 PM »

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/rj183#1042b001

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1458303/video-photos-a-royal-jordanian-flight-lands-in-israel-due-to-poor-visibility-in-jordan.html

Million Miler · « **Reply #1 on:** January 29, 2018, 01:10:08 PM »

A few interesting points...
A. Aprox 70% of the passengers were Israelis
B. If any non Israeli was on board but heading to TLV would they have allowed them off?
C. Did they unload Baggage?

shimino1 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 29, 2018, 02:24:58 PM »

A. With Elal charging what they do for their Reagan era 767's, I'm not surprised.
B. Don't see why not
C. I would be very surprised if they did.

e-Lawyer · « **Reply #3 on:** January 29, 2018, 02:51:28 PM »

Someone real holy must have been on board.

ExGingi · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2018, 03:11:29 PM »

I wonder what equipment they had scheduled that day for AMM-TLV.

It might have been calculated knowing that a large percentage of passengers were heading to TLV. While I haven't taken the flight, I know someone who has taken it a few times, and told me that besides for Israelis, there are often many foreign (Thai and other Asian) workers heading to work in Israel on that route.

damaxer91 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2018, 03:14:52 PM »

I've flown both RJ and TK routes to Asia and the planes are loaded with Israelis. Its almost a rite of passage at this point for them to fly that way to Asia. Its also not really much longer because of the routes El Al has to fly.

chff · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2018, 03:16:05 PM »

Quote from: shimino1 on January 29, 2018, 02:24:58 PM

A. With Elal charging what they do for their Reagan era 767's, I'm not surprised.

DDF Motto to bash LY.

Someone once showed me that from the far East RJ is quicker vs LY even with the stopover due to the airspace closed to LY

lubaby · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2018, 03:19:58 PM »

Quote from: chff on January 29, 2018, 03:16:05 PM

Someone once showed me that from the far East RJ is quicker vs LY even with the stopover due to the airspace closed to LY

Here you go:

ExGingi · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2018, 03:21:20 PM »

Quote from: lubaby on January 29, 2018, 03:19:58 PM

Here you go:

And when they fly the 787 on the TLV-AMM route, it's ever more compelling I guess.

Would be an interesting concept (though I don't think it would happen in our lifetimes) if there would be a single airport that serves both countries like GVA (any others?)

skyguy918 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2018, 03:31:34 PM »

Quote from: ExGingi on January 29, 2018, 03:21:20 PM

And when they fly the 787 on the TLV-AMM route, it's ever more compelling I guess.

Yeah, I thought that was odd when I flew TLV-AMM-JFK this summer - couldn't have been more than 50 people in economy on a plane with 250 seats.

shimino1 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2018, 04:44:22 PM »

They probably have nothing better to do with the plane between flights so this way they free up a smaller plane to go to Europe or the middle east.

shimino1 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 29, 2018, 04:52:00 PM »

Quote from: chff on January 29, 2018, 03:16:05 PM

DDF Motto to bash LY.

Maybe true but am I wrong?
I strongly advise my clients not to fly elal when there is an alternative option despite the fact that I make more money booking elal.

Regarding flights TLV-BKK:
The percentage of delays and problems with a 20 year old 767 vs a few year old 787 is alone a good enough reason to prefer RJ to BKK.
If you are flying Business class would you prefer an old 767 angle flat seat with no IFE or a brand new 787?
And as you mentioned, you save time as well!!!

All these good arguments to prefer RJ/TK and we haven't even mentioned the price!

ExGingi · « **Reply #12 on:** January 29, 2018, 04:54:23 PM »

Quote from: shimino1 on January 29, 2018, 04:44:22 PM

They probably have nothing better to do with the plane between flights so this way they free up a smaller plane to go to Europe or the middle east.

I seem to recall seeing somewhere that they send it to TLV for maintenance. I already noted somewhere on DDF that I think this route sees the greatest variety of equipment serving it. I've seen 787s, A319, A320, A321 and E95,, E195, E75L on this route. Any other route globally served by such a variety?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/rj341

ExGingi · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2018, 04:55:42 PM »

Quote from: shimino1 on January 29, 2018, 04:52:00 PM

Maybe true but am I wrong?
I strongly advise my clients not to fly elal when there is an alternative option despite the fact that I make more money booking elal.

Regarding flights TLV-BKK:
The percentage of delays and problems with a 20 year old 767 vs a few year old 787 is alone a good enough reason to prefer RJ to BKK.
If you are flying Business class would you prefer an old 767 angle flat seat with no IFE or a brand new 787?
And as you mentioned, you save time as well!!!

All these good arguments to prefer RJ/TK and we haven't even mentioned the price!

But what about the SKML?

travel agent · « **Reply #14 on:** January 30, 2018, 07:20:51 AM »

today again the same flight landed in TLV

Dan · « **Reply #15 on:** January 30, 2018, 08:05:49 AM »

Quote from: travel agent on January 30, 2018, 07:20:51 AM

today again the same flight landed in TLV

Did RJ get 5th freedom rights?

moe8555 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 30, 2018, 08:25:27 AM »

Quote from: Dan on January 30, 2018, 08:05:49 AM

Did RJ get 5th freedom rights?

Wow, wonder how long LY's flight would stay in existence if that were to happen.

shimino1 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 30, 2018, 10:36:06 AM »

Maybe they got a Jewish manager who has the plane land in TLV every day for "bad visibility".
Iv'e been visiting a restaurant for the last 4 years where every time I come their "credit card machine broke today".

moe8555 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 30, 2018, 11:40:47 AM »

Quote from: shimino1 on January 30, 2018, 10:36:06 AM

Maybe they got a Jewish manager who has the plane land in TLV every day for "bad visibility".
Iv'e been visiting a restaurant for the last 4 years where every time I come their "credit card machine broke today".

Thanks for the good laugh!

ExGingi · « **Reply #19 on:** January 30, 2018, 03:27:06 PM »

Quote from: Dan on January 30, 2018, 08:05:49 AM

Did RJ get 5th freedom rights?

Why not? They’re not one of the big bad ME3, and definitely not QR that voluntarily agreed to no fifth freedom flights to the US.