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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2018, 10:57:05 AM »
In other news, the Washington Redskins have announced that they're officially changing their name.

From now on they'll be called just the Redskins, as to not associate with a slaveholder.

Rip off of the original Washington bullets joke.
They thought the name was too violent so they moved.
Just wait until PETA starts calling for an end to animal nicknames. We can all pick a color to root for.


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Seems like the first 2 are basically the same, and they are the ones going after everyone else!
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2018, 11:12:57 AM »
Why is it ok to offend even 9% of native americans for something as stupid as a team name? Serious question.
Is the team bothering them or are they "being bothered"
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2018, 11:19:08 AM »
Take a page out of the Blackhawks playbook and do it right.
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2018, 11:27:08 AM »
This is very serious stuff  :o

“In 2005, the American Psychological Association issued a resolution "Recommending the Immediate Retirement of American Indian Mascots, Symbols, Images, and Personalities by Schools, Colleges, Universities, Athletic Teams, and Organizations" due to the harm done by creating a hostile environment, the negative impact on the self-esteem of American Indian children, and discrimination that may violate civil rights.”

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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2018, 11:27:25 AM »
Yankees offends me. Highly derogatory term.
Now go change the name.
I know you're kidding, but if the washington redskins were owned and fielded a team of native americans, like the yankees do with yankees (ie americans), i think it would make a difference.
Like, I don't mind that team israel adopted the mensch on the bench, a flamboyantly chassidish jewish caricature, because they are all jewish. But if a new sports team sprung up of non-jews and called themselves the portland big-noses (redskins) and used the exaggerated mensch on the bench mascot (wahoo), I'd probably be offended.
If they don't like it they don't need to watch. Let the market decide. nobody has a right to not be offended.
that's fair

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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2018, 11:27:52 AM »
Take a page out of the Blackhawks playbook and do it right.
Don't worry, they'll be next.
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2018, 11:28:41 AM »
I know you're kidding, but if the washington redskins were owned and fielded a team of native americans, like the yankees do with yankees (ie americans), i think it would make a difference.
Like, I don't mind that team israel adopted the mensch on the bench, a flamboyantly chassidish jewish caricature, because they are all jewish. But if a new sports team sprung up of non-jews and called themselves the portland big-noses (redskins) and used the exaggerated mensch on the bench mascot (wahoo), I'd probably be offended.that's fair
Except the Indian names are all used as symbols of power or prowess.
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2018, 11:30:16 AM »
Don't worry, they'll be next.
Pick a date. Taking all bets.  :)
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2018, 11:31:23 AM »
Right, but the Indians are saying they weren't forced to make the decision.

It’s virtue signaling to get free press. You’re correct less than a 10th of natives care . It’s just platitudes instead of dealing with the real native problems like the highest single motherhood rate In The nation

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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2018, 11:31:50 AM »
I know you're kidding, but if the washington redskins were owned and fielded a team of native americans, like the yankees do with yankees (ie americans), i think it would make a difference.
Like, I don't mind that team israel adopted the mensch on the bench, a flamboyantly chassidish jewish caricature, because they are all jewish. But if a new sports team sprung up of non-jews and called themselves the portland big-noses (redskins) and used the exaggerated mensch on the bench mascot (wahoo), I'd probably be offended.that's fair
Team Israel is Chassidish?
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #50 on: January 30, 2018, 11:33:42 AM »
Except the Indian names are all used as symbols of power or prowess.
redskins?

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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2018, 11:34:34 AM »
redskins?
If you think the name was made simply. Because e it's an insult to native Americans, I have a bridge to well you that was actually constructed by aliens.
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2018, 12:28:22 PM »
I know you're kidding, but if the washington redskins were owned and fielded a team of native americans, like the yankees do with yankees (ie americans), i think it would make a difference.
Like, I don't mind that team israel adopted the mensch on the bench, a flamboyantly chassidish jewish caricature, because they are all jewish. But if a new sports team sprung up of non-jews and called themselves the portland big-noses (redskins) and used the exaggerated mensch on the bench mascot (wahoo), I'd probably be offended.that's fair
Indians were named Indians for the same reason, to honor one of their Native American players...
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2018, 12:40:38 PM »
If you think the name was made simply. Because e it's an insult to native Americans, I have a bridge to well you that was actually constructed by aliens.
You're all alone with this take. No one else in the world thinks the term "redskins" is some kind of compliment. Come on.

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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2018, 12:42:50 PM »
You're all alone with this take. No one else in the world thinks the term "redskins" is some kind of compliment. Come on.
Really? You honestly think the name for the redskins was made by a bunch of snickering conniving old white racists who were scheming to get an insulting name on their team?
Like i said, i have an alien made bridge to sell you.

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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2018, 12:44:17 PM »
Really? You honestly think the name for the redskins was made by a bunch of snickering conniving old white racists who were scheming to get an insulting name on their team?
Like i said, i have an alien made bridge to sell you.

You are all alone in this.
from wikipedia
Whatever its origins in the colonial period, scholars agree that "redskin" underwent a process of pejoration due to the increasingly disparaging use of the term through the 19th and early 20th centuries.[1] In modern dictionaries of American English it is labeled "usually offensive",[2] "disparaging",[3][4] "insulting",[5] or "taboo".[6]

So I'm not alone.

Who's with you that it means prowess?  ::)

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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #56 on: January 30, 2018, 12:47:15 PM »
from wikipedia
Whatever its origins in the colonial period, scholars agree that "redskin" underwent a process of pejoration due to the increasingly disparaging use of the term through the 19th and early 20th centuries.[1] In modern dictionaries of American English it is labeled "usually offensive",[2] "disparaging",[3][4] "insulting",[5] or "taboo".[6]

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Who's with you that it means prowess?  ::)
i say again. Are you actually claiming that the reason for the name was to mock native americans? Are you actually saying thats why they named the team redskins?
And wikipedia is NOT a valid source for anything.
But since you mention it, from Wikipedia
"Supporters of the Redskins name note that three predominantly Native American high schools use the name for their sports teams, suggesting that it can be acceptable.[51] However, in 2013 the principal of one of these, Red Mesa High School in Teec Nos Pos, Arizona, said that use of the word outside American Indian communities should be avoided because it could perpetuate "the legacy of negativity that the term has created".[52] Teec Nos Pos, in the Navajo Nation, is 96.5% Native American. Wellpinit, Washington, a town within a reservation of the Spokane people, is 79.3% Native American.[53] In 2014, Wellpinit High School voted to keep the Redskins name.[54] The third school, Kingston High School in Kingston, Oklahoma is 57.69% Native American.[8"

If it is good for the goose its good for the gander. Saying that one person can use a word but another cannot is BS.
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #57 on: January 30, 2018, 12:51:08 PM »
i say again. Are you actually claiming that the reason for the name was to mock native americans? Are you actually saying thats why they named the team redskins?

How about if a team called themselves the Ni**** because supposedly slaves were strong?
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #58 on: January 30, 2018, 12:52:19 PM »
How about if a team called themselves the Ni**** because supposedly slaves were strong?
I refuse to participate in whataboutism
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #59 on: January 30, 2018, 12:55:40 PM »
I refuse to participate in whataboutism
Did you read what it says there to define whataboutism? Because it has nothing to do with my analogy.

The two of you are speaking two different things. He is saying that the term is a slur. You are answering that they used it to convey a certain supposedly complimentary message. Those two are not mutually exclusive.
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