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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2018, 09:22:43 PM »
Right, but the Indians are saying they weren't forced to make the decision.
Give it time and the team will change their name to the Cleveland Snowflakes
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2018, 09:25:22 PM »
They're taking on major flak locally and losing season ticket holders.

I just don't get it.
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2018, 09:26:00 PM »
They probably just don’t want all the negative publicity going forward. The media knows how to find those 2 people offended by it & keep pushing it.

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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2018, 09:32:31 PM »
http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/news/cleveland-indians-chief-wahoo-removal-controversy-racists-symbol-mlb-rob-manfred/djz9nsws2b0s16nme8im4k97t

Stop being offended by people being offended by Chief Wahoo

Think about it: By using the nickname “Indians,” Cleveland’s use of Chief Wahoo is essentially saying, “This is an Indian. This is what they look like,” which makes it easy to understand why someone would find such a stereotyped caricature offensive.

The argument against that view is that Chief Wahoo isn’t actually offensive, that it’s just a beloved image of the local nine that’s brought joy to countless fans for decades, and that anyone who is actually offended just doesn’t get the cultural significance.

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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2018, 09:35:20 PM »
I don't get the whole thing.
Has there ever been a study to see if Native Americans actually find it offensive?

Everyone's harping on the Redskins now, but the WashPo poll shows that only 9% find it offensive:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html?utm_term=.a8812b89b2e8

We're just changing tradition now because the left says we have to rather than seeing if something is actually offensive?

Survey on Redskins team name found most American Indians believe it to be offensive and racist.
The Center for Indigenous Peoples Studies at California State University, San Bernardino has conducted
a study on racial and ethnic perspectives on the team name Redskins and associated issues, and found
that the large majority of American Indians, when properly identified and polled, find the team name
offensive, disrespectful and racist.
The first question on the survey tells the basic story:
The Redskins team name is a racial or racist word and symbol.
American Indians were 67 % in agreement, 12 % were neutral and 20 % disagreed with the statement.
Other ethnic groups are spread across the three major categories of seeing the term Redskins as racist,
as neutral, or disagreeing in seeing Redskins as racially offensive. Whites were 33% in agreement, 26%
neutral, and 41% disagreed the term was racial, generally the reverse of American Indian responses.
The neutral category played a significant role for whites in allowing them to not be seen as “racist” –
upon further analysis more than 60% of whites reject the term Redskins as racist, while more than 60%
of Indians see the term Redskins as racist.


https://deadspin.com/washington-post-poll-9-in-10-native-americans-not-offe-1777576257

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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2018, 09:37:34 PM »
Survey on Redskins team name found most American Indians believe it to be offensive and racist.
The Center for Indigenous Peoples Studies at California State University, San Bernardino has conducted
a study on racial and ethnic perspectives on the team name Redskins and associated issues, and found
that the large majority of American Indians, when properly identified and polled, find the team name
offensive, disrespectful and racist.
The first question on the survey tells the basic story:
The Redskins team name is a racial or racist word and symbol.
American Indians were 67 % in agreement, 12 % were neutral and 20 % disagreed with the statement.
Other ethnic groups are spread across the three major categories of seeing the term Redskins as racist,
as neutral, or disagreeing in seeing Redskins as racially offensive. Whites were 33% in agreement, 26%
neutral, and 41% disagreed the term was racial, generally the reverse of American Indian responses.
The neutral category played a significant role for whites in allowing them to not be seen as “racist” –
upon further analysis more than 60% of whites reject the term Redskins as racist, while more than 60%
of Indians see the term Redskins as racist.


https://deadspin.com/washington-post-poll-9-in-10-native-americans-not-offe-1777576257
WashPo survey asked 5x the people and didn't ask a leading question.
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2018, 09:53:19 PM »
WashPo survey asked 5x the people and didn't ask a leading question.

verified vs self identified, is a key difference

400 vs 98

Also- it made the statement - and then asked agree or disagree

the more interesting thing is the breakdown in opinion between native americans and  "whites"

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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2018, 10:53:56 PM »
I feel like taking a shower after reading that

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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2018, 10:09:55 AM »
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2018/01/cleveland_indians_chief_wahoo_1.html
Ahh so the instead of changing to the Cleveland snowflakes he wants to change it to the Cleveland Feathers.
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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2018, 10:16:36 AM »
should we have a poll on what the name of the Cleveland baseball team should be?
How about:
Cleveland Lebron please stay
Cleveland we arent the Browns

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Re: Bye Bye Chief Wahoo
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2018, 10:20:43 AM »
Ahh so the instead of changing to the Cleveland snowflakes he wants to change it to the Cleveland Feathers.
Erm, which article did that link take you to?
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