Author Topic: More concerned with the way others dress than hechsher?  (Read 18691 times)

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Re: Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2018, 07:14:00 PM »
you lack any knowledge of jewish history.

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Re: Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2018, 07:14:42 PM »
my tatty could beat up your tatty.
Nuh-uh. My button is totally bigger than your button.
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Re: Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2018, 07:15:58 PM »
issuing a geder is not changing yiddishkeit  its a concept that been around since pretty much the beginning of time

This is where you are wrong.  Judaism is not meant to be overwhelming. The fact is that they repealed some strict laws of shmirat shabbat in the time of ezra, nechemya etc because it was too strict and people werent keeping them.

Judaism often evolved, Hillel brought hin the pruzbal, neighborhoods got eruvim, on and on and on.

People here by and large have a very limited world view of judaic opinions and history

The hilarious part is calling my opinions kefira

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Re: Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2018, 07:17:00 PM »
My great-great uncle thought the same way you do based on family pictures and occasionally meeting his children by family events. One of his children was a conservative Rabbi. The others identified as Jewish but that was about it. The following generation, at least the ones we kept track of lost all semblance of being Jewish, at least three of them marrying Catholic/ Christian spouses, except for two of the conservative Rabbis kids who self-identified as Jewish ( however, their kids as far as we know do not consider themselves Jewish). Maybe those Rabbis were on to something....

I know thousands who left judaism because it was too strict, molestation, parents who wouldnt listen, moronic hashkafa etc..

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Re: Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2018, 07:19:15 PM »
Is that because you consider yourself like אדם הראשון before חטא עץ הדעת, or because you ascribe to some form of Darwinism?

Oh, lets go back to the "Do you daven thread"

Sorry, i'll go wear a black hat and spend the entire davening talking... like the rest of 770 etc etc and thousands of shull's worldwide.. after all, a black hat is more important than you know, talking to some one called G-d..

BUT I am the heretic huh ?

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Re: Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2018, 07:19:54 PM »
I know thousands who left judaism because it was too strict, molestation, parents who wouldnt listen, moronic hashkafa etc..

I don't even know thousands of people, let alone thousands who left Judaism, let alone for certain reasons, let alone know their reasons.

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Re: Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2018, 07:21:47 PM »
Oh, lets go back to the "Do you daven thread"

Sorry, i'll go wear a black hat and spend the entire davening talking... like the rest of 770 etc etc and thousands of shull's worldwide.. after all, a black hat is more important than you know, talking to some one called G-d..

BUT I am the heretic huh ?

I see this every week shabbat, guys who talk and in between conversations, mumble a few words from their sidur, but @henche  will be proud to know that their tzitzis are longer than mine, their yarmulka bigger than mine and assumingly their mohel did a more through job and did a bigger priah

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Re: Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2018, 07:32:15 PM »
I see this every week shabbat, guys who talk and in between conversations, mumble a few words from their sidur, but @henche  will be proud to know that their tzitzis are longer than mine, their yarmulka bigger than mine and assumingly their mohel did a more through job and did a bigger priah

If you're as good at analyzing them, as you are at analyzing me, that explains your position quite well

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Re: Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2018, 07:50:34 PM »

Oh, lets go back to the "Do you daven thread"

Sorry, i'll go wear a black hat and spend the entire davening talking... like the rest of 770 etc etc and thousands of shull's worldwide.. after all, a black hat is more important than you know, talking to some one called G-d..

BUT I am the heretic huh ?
Not sure where you are coming from.

You made a statement that the only piece of clothing you ever need is a skullcap.

I was trying to get clarification about that statement.

How do you construe that into anyone claiming that you are a heretic (and on the way badmouth other Jews?)
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2018, 07:56:52 PM »
Not sure where you are coming from.

You made a statement that the only piece of clothing you ever need is a skullcap.

I was trying to get clarification about that statement.

How do you construe that into anyone claiming that you are a heretic (and on the way badmouth other Jews?)

Only clothing I need to identify me as a jew is a yarmulka. I wear tzitzis but I think its irrelevant. I dont think any identifier is relevant as people take them off or do things with them on.

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Re: Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2018, 08:08:13 PM »
Only clothing I need to identify me as a jew is a yarmulka. I wear tzitzis but I think its irrelevant. I dont think any identifier is relevant as people take them off or do things with them on.
Well, that isnít what you initially wrote.

If itís about self identification or labeling, please go ahead and post in detail in the appropriate thread. (Actually not sure about that. Incoherent conversations would just drag it down.)
« Last Edit: February 01, 2018, 08:11:26 PM by ExGingi »
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Re: Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2018, 08:39:34 PM »


I find quantum physics amusing. All those scribbles and stuff that doesnít make any sense to me or any of my friends. I canít even see what in the world these people are droning on about quantum indeterminacy and such garbage that makes zero sense to me. I think everything just took a wrong turn after Newton and everyone just went off the deep end. So the whole thing is just ridiculous and irrelevant. Iím willing to debate any quantum physicist to prove the futility of his lifeís work.

Obviously coming from someone who had no more than casual contact with quantum physics such a statement is unqualified and reveals the sheer ignorance of the one making such a statement. If one would spend years speaking to top scientists in the field and going through thousands of volumes of published literature on the subject his opinions would carry some weight.

Likewise if one were to make a serious effort to learn the Mishnah gemorah medrash yerushalmi, Zohar, words of the rishonim, achronim, the hundreds of books of authentic Jewish philosophy, shaalos uteshuvos, writings of the later and contemporary achronim, spend time talking to the experts in the subject (the Gedolim and profound Jewish thinkers of the generation) then one can be taken seriously if he is dissmissive of the whole ideology and how the current body of Halacha and the leaders of Torah Jewry and their ideologyís developed. You, my friend, are passing summary judgement on the whole ideology with only the most basic, passing understanding of the tens of thousands of volumes of knowledge on the subject written by what are objectively acknowledged as some of the most brilliant men the world has ever seen. Please come back when you have acquired  some meaningful knowledge in said subject and you can then consider yourself qualified to debate the issues.

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Re: Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2018, 08:47:06 PM »

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is that the best you can do? you usually formulate a pretty decent opinion
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Re: Re: Pesach Programs and False Advertising
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2018, 12:05:39 AM »
is that the best you can do? you usually formulate a pretty decent opinion
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Re: More concerned with the way others dress than hechsher?
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2018, 09:16:02 AM »
In Chakirah, the flatbush journal of halacha vol 23, Ari Greenspan wrote a whole article on the discovery of coffee and halacha.

Initially, thee rabbanim banned coffee houses along the lines of stam yaynam.

But this ban didnt hold. Personally, i'd like to see stam yaynam be repealed.

Halacha evolves, in journal #19, Ari + Ari trace the history of matza showing they were soft and that shruya (gebrochts) is a modern problem (Alter Rebbe / Ba'al Hatanya notibaly)

Aye so lets talk Mesorah, eat  soft matzas! Do shechita with nikur etc..

While not my thing, there are those that wear "techelet" a mitvas asei m'dioreisa.






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Re: More concerned with the way others dress than hechsher?
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2018, 10:14:42 AM »
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Re: More concerned with the way others dress than hechsher?
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2018, 10:21:59 AM »
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Re: More concerned with the way others dress than hechsher?
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2018, 10:22:56 AM »
I think we need to call this the OFFICIAL Chevron rant thread.

FTR, IMHO many of them are on the mark but the next step from that ......
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Re: More concerned with the way others dress than hechsher?
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2018, 10:27:08 AM »
I think we need to call this the OFFICIAL Chevron rant thread.
Why is it a rant? Because it is a view you donít agree with?
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Re: More concerned with the way others dress than hechsher?
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2018, 10:28:47 AM »
Why is it a rant? Because it is a view you donít agree with?
1. did you not read the NEXT LINE. I have grave concerns....
2. What does agreement have to do with whether or not it is a rant?
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