Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)

[ssvarc]

We can stop right there. 

You made an idiotic claim at the beginning of this thread and refused to back it up.

I made a logical claim after you had asserted countless things without bringing any proof, and refused your attempt at a double standard.

You said on several occasions you would and still haven't.

I never said that and you'll be unable to find any quotes to that effect.

What I actually said, was, if you would bring proofs for your assertions, so would I. That's how we left it. No double standards.

You then tried to bring statistics for some of your claims, but your best attempt, after several tries, was a link that at the very top, the actual header refuted what you had brought it for.

Nice try.

No double standards.

You don't bring proof, neither will I.

Where I come from that makes you a trolling liar.

Yeah, where I come from, people who act like you are recognised as trying to bully others. So try all you want. Huff and puff, big bad wolf, you have no teeth.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I made...

Blah blah blah! Go make another username and hide behind that.

You make and idiotic claim and then try and deflect. Claim you will back it up once things die down but never did. Translation: Trolling liar!!! 

[ssvarc]

His claims were just backed up by the CDC.

I doubt he even read that link.

Further, what that link actually speaks to is a far more sophisticated argument, one I doubt the OP could even articulate without coaching.

My assertion was regarding deaths, the link is all forms of violence (e.g. someone robbing a store waving a gun). And even there, guns are a greater good.

What's stunning is that they sat on it for over twenty years, while casting shade on Kleck, but that's typical for gun grabbers.

[ssvarc]

Blah blah blah! Go make another username and hide behind that.

You make and idiotic claim and they try and deflect. Claim you will back it up once things die down but never did.

As usual, you and the truth aren't on speaking terms.

Try to find a quote were I said I would bring a proof, as opposed to one that says that I will demonstrate how you failed to bring a proof.

Go on, try.

I accept no double standards.

Translation: Trolling liar!!! 

Ofen ganiv brent...

[ChaimMoskowitz]

You have no proof because there is none to your idiotic claim. Try and twist it anyway you want but it isn't going to fly. Translation: Trolling liar! 

[ssvarc]

You have no proof because there is none to your idiotic claim. Try and twist it anyway you want but it isn't going to fly. Translation: Trolling liar! 

Toothless wolf.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Toothless wolf.

Coming from someone who can't backup his idiotic claim. Translation: Trolling liar! 

[ssvarc]

Coming from someone who can't backup his idiotic claim. Translation: Trolling liar! 

Huff and puff until the cows come home. I won't back my claims, until you back up yours.

No double standards.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Huff and puff until the cows come home. I won't back my claims, until you back up yours.

No double standards.

You can't back up your idiotic claim because it is wrong. Just like when I had to school you on penetration power and permits. Then out of the blue you bring up Heller (when no one in the thread ever mentioned Heller) because the hole you dug was to deep to get out of. Just admit you are clueless when it comes to guns like your buddy did and be done with it. 

Better yet go back to the DO thread! 

[ssvarc]

You can't back up your idiotic claim because it is wrong. Just like when I had to school you on penetration power and permits. Then out of the blue you bring up Heller (when no one in the thread ever mentioned Heller) because the hole you dug was to deep to get out of. Just admit you are clueless when it comes to guns like your buddy did and be done with it. 

Better yet go back to the DO thread! 

Your acquaintance with the truth is tenuous.

As I've read other threads, I see that you basically just troll. I'm fine if you wanna troll, no problem.

Just don't expect me to provide proof for my claims in this thread, until you start providing proof for your claims first. You're the OP, you start.

No double standards.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I provided several links and videos to back my claims up. I also have years on personal experience with every gun mentioned here. You on the other have nothing but Google. That's why you make idiotic statements then run from them. You are clueless when it comes to guns.

Making a new username just to post in this thread shows how clueless you are on the subject. Translation: Trolling liar! 

[Yammer]

@ssvarc

Without getting into the actual Gun debate, you did say upthead that you would post proof  once this thread calmed down and you haven't.

Either way the last few posts here from all sides are ridiculous...

[ssvarc]

@ssvarc

Without getting into the actual Gun debate, you did say upthead that you would post proof  once this thread calmed down and you haven't.

Either way the last few posts here from all sides are ridiculous...

Perhaps link to that, as I've never said I would post proof before the OP would.

I said I would show how the OP hasn't posted any proof, despite his attempts to try to do so.

You think otherwise? Provide the link to my post.

[ssvarc]

I provided several links and videos to back my claims up. I also have years on personal experience with every gun mentioned here. You on the other have nothing but Google. That's why you make idiotic statements then run from them. You are clueless when it comes to guns.

Making a new username just to post in this thread shows how clueless you are on the subject. Translation: Trolling liar! 

Like I said, you don't have a relationship with the truth. It's something you read about once, while attending troll school.

Links? Videos? Nothing relevant to the one central claim between us: Do guns take (via homicide) or save more innocent lives. On that one you tried to post some statistics, but the very link you provided didn't meet the criteria. Nice try, but no cigar.

I don't run from toothless wolves. I demand the same standard: I'll provide proof, when you start to do so. Until then, huff and puff.

You posted some videos about overpenetration, while I posted at least two links about that subject.

As for your vaunted, self-proclaimed, knowledge about guns.

A) Having read your ramblings (about which guns are easier to grab - anyone who's ever held both a broom and a tennis racketknows how wrong you are) and your deceptions (about why you insist on .22 caliber handgun comparison to rifles), I'm not impressed.

B) You have no idea what my knowledge is.

C) Doctors can treat diseases they've never had. It's possible to acquire knowledge besides personal experience.

Finally, made a new username to post here on this thread?

I guess this is another of di gonev brent...

[ChaimMoskowitz]

@ssvarc

Without getting into the actual Gun debate, you did say upthead that you would post proof  once this thread calmed down and you haven't.

There is no proof that is why he can't post it. Others in this thread besides me have ask for him to post the proof but still dead silence.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

B) You have no idea what my knowledge is.

C) Doctors can treat diseases they've never had. It's possible to acquire knowledge besides personal experience.

Just like a thought, you are clueless when it comes to guns. Doctors don't treat diseases via Google. Without Google you have nothing. 

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Here is the idiotic claim that there is no proof to:

Finally, since many more innocent citizens lives are saved by guns every year then are murdered by them,

@aygart is the one who originally asked you to back it up, not me.

3. What is your source that more civilians are saved by guns than murdered?

Others have also asked you to back it up but you refused to. You can't and you know it. Has Google failed you? This is what happens when you have no real knowledge of the subject being discussed. You don't see me going around claiming knowledge of the Torah just because I can use Google.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Guns in America: For every criminal killed in self-defense, 34 innocent people die
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/19/guns-in-america-for-every-criminal-killed-in-self-defense-34-innocent-people-die/
http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable15.pdf

[Jellybelly]

But I’m sure of the 34 innocent people killed at least 30 are by illegals guns

[ChaimMoskowitz]

But I’m sure of the 34 innocent people killed at least 30 are by illegals guns

Where did these so-called illegal guns come from?