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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
11) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct  (R)

Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 66802 times)

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1576 on: August 06, 2019, 04:05:18 PM »
but I doubt it would realistically save most.
I guess @CountValentine is right and you truly are a kool-aid drinker.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1577 on: August 06, 2019, 04:42:53 PM »
The Kool-Aid drinkers don't see a problem with this weapon paired with a 100 round HCM.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1578 on: August 06, 2019, 06:44:56 PM »
Here you go with the same BS again. We have more guns than citizens. Guns do not make you safer.
Banning guns donít make you safer either!
Feel free to ask @ChaimMoskowitz how safe Chicago is with their ban

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1579 on: August 06, 2019, 07:25:07 PM »
Banning guns donít make you safer either!
Feel free to ask @ChaimMoskowitz how safe Chicago is with their ban
Your ignorance and stupidity shows with that statement. Please do us all a favor and stay out things you know nothing about.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1580 on: August 06, 2019, 07:54:38 PM »
Your ignorance and stupidity shows with that statement. Please do us all a favor and stay out things you know nothing about.
Ha! So can I see your credentials to speak on gun control?
I havenít offered my solutions yet, and I think it prob needs a combination of a lot of ideas
But a complete ban on guns doesnít work

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1581 on: August 06, 2019, 08:03:25 PM »
Ha! So can I see your credentials to speak on gun control?
I havenít offered my solutions yet, and I think it prob needs a combination of a lot of ideas
But a complete ban on guns doesnít work
You don't understand the simple fact that most guns used in Chicago violence are either stolen or purchased in another state. While my statement was harsh it was also accurate.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1582 on: August 06, 2019, 08:32:04 PM »
Banning guns, whether some, or all, will definitely help. Will it stop all killings, of course not. However if it will save even some lives, you can't just say it won't work and therefore do nothing. (Obviously guns are sometimes needed for self defense, so a complete ban probably isn't the best idea). Banning high capacity guns and/or ammunition seems logical. The only argument I have heard (and possibly very legitimate), is that we cannot allow the government to ban these because people need to be able to protect themselves from a potential tyrannical government. This argument would be willing to sacrifice potential occasional mass shootings so as to protect this right. This argument needs to be discussed frankly, and decided risk vs benefits.
Banning guns however, is just a band aid. We still need to address the underlying cause of these shootings. In my opinion culture of violence encouraged by Hollywood and videogames is a major cause. Perhaps mental Illness. I'm sure if americans sat down and discussed it seriously, we could come up with more potential causes and try to deal with them. Unfortunately, with all the politics and hyperbole, it doesn't seem like this will happen soon.
One last idea is that many of these people seem to want publicity and fame. Perhaps not showing the picture or name of the perpetrator will help to be a deterrent.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1583 on: August 06, 2019, 08:37:21 PM »
We really need to be careful with this mental illness issue. Do we want to say that either of these shooters were mentally ill?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1584 on: August 06, 2019, 08:57:13 PM »
We really need to be careful with this mental illness issue. Do we want to say that either of these shooters were mentally ill?
I don't know. I was not talking about these two specifically. Anyway these are suggestions. Do you have other ideas as to what could cause someone to carry out a mass shooting?

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1585 on: August 06, 2019, 09:00:18 PM »
I don't know. I was not talking about these two specifically. Anyway these are suggestions. Do you have other ideas as to what could cause someone to carry out a mass shooting?
Being bullied or an outcast. I just don't buy the mental illness line and neither does the medical community.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1586 on: August 06, 2019, 09:25:34 PM »
In my opinion culture of violence encouraged by Hollywood and videogames is a major cause.
Maybe. but I do not agree at all
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1587 on: August 06, 2019, 09:32:46 PM »
Maybe. but I do not agree at all
Ok. What do you think could be a cause? Do you not think that there is a culture that glamorizes violence and shooting? Or you think that nobody would act based on what they see and play with constantly?

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1588 on: August 06, 2019, 09:37:31 PM »
Ok. What do you think could be a cause? Do you not think that there is a culture that glamorizes violence and shooting? Or you think that nobody would act based on what they see and play with constantly?
Forget about glamorize. The ability for people to even imagine such an occurrence is abnormal and mainly a result of such a culture that normalizes murder.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1589 on: August 06, 2019, 09:45:34 PM »
I'm sure if americans sat down and discussed it seriously, we could come up with more potential causes and try to deal with them. Unfortunately, with all the politics and hyperbole, it doesn't seem like this will happen soon.
There is only one person who is currently capable of creating a real discussion and compromise and he actually did mention working on that. The only question is if it will be sabotaged by his opponents.
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