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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
11) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct  (R)

Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 199089 times)

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2018, 05:12:15 PM »
What if we just allow teachers to have guns, so he wouldn't go in knowing that there's no one to stop him, and if he still decided to go in, there would be plenty of people to stop him. There's a reason almost all mass shootings happen in gun free zones.

Are you going to train all of the teachers so that that they don't kill more kids than the perp?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2018, 05:19:58 PM »
What if we just allow teachers to have guns, so he wouldn't go in knowing that there's no one to stop him, and if he still decided to go in, there would be plenty of people to stop him. There's a reason almost all mass shootings happen in gun free zones.
Your answer is more guns to stop killings by guns. Just step back and think about this for a minute.

On FOX they are going through school shootings. The list is going on and on. 25 since Columbine.

Are you going to wait until it happens in your own backyard until you call for action? 
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2018, 05:20:53 PM »
Are you going to train all of the teachers so that that they don't kill more kids than the perp?
Is that why guns aren't allowed in schools? In case there's a mass shooter, if someone else has a gun they may accidentally shoot an innocent person?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2018, 05:23:13 PM »
Your answer is more guns to stop killings by guns. Just step back and think about this for a minute.

On FOX they are going through school shootings. The list is going on and on. 25 since Columbine.

Are you going to wait until it happens in your own backyard until you call for action?
Why are schools such a target of deadly shootings? They are magnets for deranged murderers because they know they will go unopposed because no one else will have a gun to stop them, and when they do show up at a school, it's much deadlier because there's no one to stop them.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2018, 05:24:45 PM »
Your answer is more guns to stop killings by guns. Just step back and think about this for a minute.

On FOX they are going through school shootings. The list is going on and on. 25 since Columbine.

Are you going to wait until it happens in your own backyard until you call for action? 
I'd be more worried about a Mumbai Nariman House style attack on a Jewish school or shul. And the answer to that probably is armed staff and tighter security.

But that's a pretty different scenario than these mass shootings.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2018, 05:25:05 PM »
Is that why guns aren't allowed in schools? In case there's a mass shooter, if someone else has a gun they may accidentally shoot an innocent person?
I am sure that is one of the reasons. Some parents are saying there is an armed officer at the school at times.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2018, 05:26:02 PM »
I'd be more worried about a Mumbai Nariman House style attack on a Jewish school or shul. And the answer to that probably is armed staff and tighter security.
I have no problem with armed security.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2018, 05:29:52 PM »
I am sure that is one of the reasons. Some parents are saying there is an armed officer at the school at times.
What's 1 officer at the front desk of a huge school building going to do to stop someone from walking into the back of the building and shooting up a few classrooms before the officer even knows anything happened, VS the odds that the teacher in the first classroom he goes into or at least 1 or 2 in the surrounding few classrooms have guns to stop him. In a mass shooting incident, every second counts.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2018, 05:34:50 PM »
What's 1 officer at the front desk of a huge school building going to do to stop someone from walking into the back of the building and shooting up a few classrooms before the officer even knows anything happened, VS the odds that the teacher in the first classroom he goes into or at least 1 or 2 in the surrounding few classrooms have guns to stop him. In a mass shooting incident, every second counts.
Apt buildings, schools, shuls, etc in Sao Paulo all have double gates with a guard that has to vet you to get past the 2nd gate. There is no back access point.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2018, 05:37:55 PM »
What's 1 officer at the front desk of a huge school building going to do to stop someone from walking into the back of the building and shooting up a few classrooms before the officer even knows anything happened, VS the odds that the teacher in the first classroom he goes into or at least 1 or 2 in the surrounding few classrooms have guns to stop him. In a mass shooting incident, every second counts.
I hear what you are saying. Most experts will tell you unless they are properly trained they will do more harm then good. How many will be willing to go through 100's of hours of training?

If nothing else is done then I think it should be tried.

How about the other side of the issue? Less guns, banning HCM and stricter laws. What can we try there?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2018, 05:39:08 PM »
Banning semi automatics would be a nice start
Is that a joke ???
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2018, 05:40:15 PM »
Is that a joke ???
I will bet he is 100% serious.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2018, 05:46:50 PM »
I hear what you are saying. Most experts will tell you unless they are properly trained they will do more harm then good.

Source?

How about the other side of the issue? Less guns, banning HCM and stricter laws. What can we try there?

 The issue with that is, we forget that criminals don't listen to laws.

Apt buildings, schools, shuls, etc in Sao Paulo all have double gates with a guard that has to vet you to get past the 2nd gate. There is no back access point.


When you live in a place like that, you need insane security, and it's still not fool proof.
Mexico has the highest murder rate in the world (after syria) with the strictest gun laws.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2018, 05:49:29 PM »
The issue with that is, we forget that criminals don't listen to laws.
This is why you are the problem and not the solution. You can't look at the other side.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2018, 05:49:49 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2018, 05:53:27 PM »
You ever held a gun?
Yes, but not too many times. That doesn't show me that an untrained person with a gun will do more harm, we would need a study to prove that to be the case.

I'm not disagreeing, I'm just asking for the source.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2018, 05:57:07 PM »
Yes, but not too many times. That doesn't show me that an untrained person with a gun will do more harm, we would need a study to prove that to be the case.

I'm not disagreeing, I'm just asking for the source.
Some things are a given and don't need a source. Just look at the gun threads and you will see why untrained people should not have guns. They look at it as a cool thing to have a carry permit.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2018, 05:59:31 PM »
Some things are a given and don't need a source. Just look at the gun threads and you will see why untrained people should not have guns. They look at it as a cool thing to have a carry permit.
That doesn't mean that they're worse than not having a gun, when there's an active shooter. You made a claim supposedly quoting experts, and not you're saying it's common sense.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2018, 06:02:10 PM »
Aren't you skipping over all the potential non-intentional injuries or deaths that would likely occur with all those guns in schools?

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2018, 06:04:15 PM »
Aren't you skipping over all the potential non-intentional injuries or deaths that would likely occur with all those guns in schools?
Guns in the hands of responsible people, don't just kill and injure on their own. We don't seem to have an issue with this anywhere else, why would a school be worse?
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