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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
11) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct  (R)

Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 199114 times)

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2018, 06:06:24 PM »
That doesn't mean that they're worse than not having a gun, when there's an active shooter. You made a claim supposedly quoting experts, and not you're saying it's common sense.
I am not going to do all your research for you. I know from personal experiences and training with some of the best.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2018, 06:08:09 PM »
Guns in the hands of responsible people, don't just kill and injure on their own. We don't seem to have an issue with this anywhere else, why would a school be worse?
And how about the kid who now has more access to a gun by taking it from a potentially weak teacher?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2018, 06:25:40 PM »
And how about the kid who now has more access to a gun by taking it from a potentially weak teacher?
There's a cool Israeli made trigger safety lock that they make, that would solve that problem. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/zore-a-new-generation-of-gun-storage--2#/
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2018, 06:27:20 PM »
There's a cool trigger safety lock that they make,
There's that word again.  >:(
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2018, 06:27:47 PM »
There's that word again.  >:(
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2018, 06:35:26 PM »
Is that a joke ???
And why would that be a joke ??? Why does an upstanding citizen need that for ?

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2018, 06:52:24 PM »
17 dead!!!
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2018, 06:58:06 PM »
Guns in the hands of responsible people, don't just kill and injure on their own. We don't seem to have an issue with this anywhere else, why would a school be worse?
We do that that issue elsewhere, don't we? And wouldn't the same rate of incidence be worse around kids?

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2018, 07:02:57 PM »
There's a cool Israeli made trigger safety lock that they make, that would solve that problem. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/zore-a-new-generation-of-gun-storage--2#/
But would leave the teacher shot before they get it off
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2018, 07:13:39 PM »
according to local chabad rabbi school has very large jewish percentage with several confirmed injuries
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2018, 07:25:48 PM »
Why are schools such a target of deadly shootings? They are magnets for deranged murderers because they know they will go unopposed because no one else will have a gun to stop them, and when they do show up at a school, it's much deadlier because there's no one to stop them.

I hear this argument a lot, and it’s a bunch of malarkey.

A school is a perfect target because:

1. He wants to take revenge on his classmates, teachers and principles.
2. It’s Highly condensed. Students are generally packed into classes, lunchroom, gym etc.
3. It makes a bold statement. Attacking a random office building will result in the deaths of random people from all backgrounds and walks of life. Whereas with the school he Will devastate HIS town, which is exactly what he wants. (Terrorists actually prefer offices so that they can get victims from many backgrounds, thus they choose things like the office in San Bernadino, the World Trade Center etc)

This shooter could just have easily attacked an office. Nobody has guns there either.

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2018, 07:46:54 PM »
up to 7 dead . any reports on weapon ?


Not that I have seen.
I believe it said in the article that it was an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle...
Pretty easy to obtain in FL.
This story is very sad and depressing :(
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #52 on: February 14, 2018, 07:47:12 PM »
I hear this argument a lot, and it’s a bunch of malarkey.

A school is a perfect target because:

1. He wants to take revenge on his classmates, teachers and principles.
2. It’s Highly condensed. Students are generally packed into classes, lunchroom, gym etc.
3. It makes a bold statement. Attacking a random office building will result in the deaths of random people from all backgrounds and walks of life. Whereas with the school he Will devastate HIS town, which is exactly what he wants. (Terrorists actually prefer offices so that they can get victims from many backgrounds, thus they choose things like the office in San Bernadino, the World Trade Center etc)

This shooter could just have easily attacked an office. Nobody has guns there either.
+1 he told cops he pulled the fire alarm to get people crowded in the hallway to increase his victims
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #53 on: February 14, 2018, 07:53:04 PM »
Would requiring teachers to carry a non lethal weapon such as a taser help reduce casualties?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #54 on: February 14, 2018, 08:21:23 PM »
I'm sickened by my fellow Republicans' unwillingness to ban most guns. It's Republican selfishness of the highest level. Other people should get killed all the time, but don't take away my gun.

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2018, 08:28:39 PM »
Putting aside the gun control debate....

I think the most important thing is to identify troubled and at risk young adults and make sure they are taken to a professional and should be watched closely. In most of these case it is premeditated and there are signs/clues that lead up to the tragedy. As much as a society we dont like dealing with people who have deep psychological issues,we need to start helping them.  We need to keep a closer eye on these people and make sure they get help not only for their good but for everyone's safety.

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2018, 08:29:10 PM »
I hear this argument a lot, and it’s a bunch of malarkey.

A school is a perfect target because:

1. He wants to take revenge on his classmates, teachers and principles.
2. It’s Highly condensed. Students are generally packed into classes, lunchroom, gym etc.
3. It makes a bold statement. Attacking a random office building will result in the deaths of random people from all backgrounds and walks of life. Whereas with the school he Will devastate HIS town, which is exactly what he wants. (Terrorists actually prefer offices so that they can get victims from many backgrounds, thus they choose things like the office in San Bernadino, the World Trade Center etc)

This shooter could just have easily attacked an office. Nobody has guns there either.
Plus the copycat factor, in which the media is complicit.


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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2018, 08:31:43 PM »
Plus the copycat factor, in which the media is complicit.
What would you like to see the media do?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2018, 08:40:38 PM »
What would you like to see the media do?
i would say the copycat factor is real but i dont see  the media as being complicit
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
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