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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
11) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct  (R)

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #200 on: February 15, 2018, 12:37:53 PM »
It is as easy as pie to give a simile. Buying an assault weapon is something that  is absurdly easy. For Democrats, Republicans, Whigs Tories and whoever.
It should not be difficult for law abiding citizens, it should be difficult for criminals. If our background system worked, then that would be the case.
A deranged individual, is a lot more likely to spend all his money and all the money he can borrow (paddock) on the deadliest gun possible, because he plans on dying when he uses it.

You are clearly in favor of a full gun ban, but you want to start by making it extremely difficult for honest citizens to obtain.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #201 on: February 15, 2018, 12:39:34 PM »
And the people who do ....are not stopped by these restrictions!! So you agree we need more control on assault weapons?
Mass shooters should be allowed to get semi automatic hand guns, but not assault weapons? The fact that it's an "assault weapon" doesn't make a difference.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #202 on: February 15, 2018, 12:40:38 PM »
Nicholas Cruz was until 4:00 yesterday an honest citizen.

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #203 on: February 15, 2018, 12:41:57 PM »
Nicholas Cruz was until 4:00 yesterday an honest citizen.
The FBI was actually tipped off about him months ago.

Are you suggesting an all out gun ban?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #204 on: February 15, 2018, 12:42:02 PM »
And the people who do ....are not stopped by these restrictions!! So you agree we need more control on assault weapons?
Yes I agree. One important point though is that almost each time there is one of these shootings it has come out that the FBI had dropped the ball.

 I also feel that those who do what you are doing and exaggerate how easy it is to get while also not acknowledging the way it being used as a political fottball s detrimental to the process as well as denying the prevalence of extremists on both sides are hurting the cause not advancing it.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #205 on: February 15, 2018, 12:43:15 PM »
Mass shooters should be allowed to get semi automatic hand guns, but not assault weapons? The fact that it's an "assault weapon" doesn't make a difference.
You are trying to nitpick my words, and missing the point. Guns that kill many people quickly should be banned. Simple enough for you ?? Which one exactly is not the discussion here

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #206 on: February 15, 2018, 12:44:11 PM »
I'm suggesting that it should be as easy to get a double tractor trailer license hauling hazmat as getting a license for a gun capable of mass murder...

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #207 on: February 15, 2018, 12:44:41 PM »
Nicholas Cruz was until 4:00 yesterday an honest citizen.

Fact check:
PANTS ON FIRE
That is a slippery slope argument and frankly not really true. They may try to make all guns illegal but they would need an amendment for that which is not happening in the near future. I don't know enough about guns to be able to give clear guidelines, but some more restrictions do sound reasonable. We are constantly having shooters who as individuals should never have had access to guns. Something is broken if we can't stop a guy calling himself a professional school shooter from getting a gun.

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/964160186133999620

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #208 on: February 15, 2018, 12:45:08 PM »
Mass shooters should be allowed to get semi automatic hand guns, but not assault weapons? The fact that it's an "assault weapon" doesn't make a difference.
You should stop because you don't understand guns. Do you have any idea of the killing power of an assault rifle vs a handgun? The reason these mass killings are not worse (I can't believe I am say this) is because these insane people are just that and don't think straight.   
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #209 on: February 15, 2018, 12:46:39 PM »
Yes I agree. One important point though is that almost each time there is one of these shootings it has come out that the FBI had dropped the ball.

 I also feel that those who do what you are doing and exaggerate how easy it is to get while also not acknowledging the way it being used as a political fottball s detrimental to the process as well as denying the prevalence of extremists on both sides are hurting the cause not advancing it.
I commend you for saying this , and I agree on most...
Except that according to my research the “background check” is pretty meaningless if a person ex. Cruz paddock. Haven’t committed a crime yet...making it easy for them to acquire these guns.
I agree on all other points

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #210 on: February 15, 2018, 12:49:17 PM »
I commend you for saying this , and I agree on most...
Except that according to my research the “background check” is pretty meaningless if a person ex. Cruz paddock. Haven’t committed a crime yet...making it easy for them to acquire these guns.
I agree on all other points
The exact mechanics of how to improve or revamp the background check system would be able to be worked out easily if the extremists on both sides would be willing to discuss things.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #211 on: February 15, 2018, 12:54:53 PM »
You are trying to nitpick my words, and missing the point. Guns that kill many people quickly should be banned. Simple enough for you ?? Which one exactly is not the discussion here
I'm not trying to nitpick, I'm trying to find where you stand. At what point will you say, there is enough gun control?

I'm suggesting that it should be as easy to get a double tractor trailer license hauling hazmat as getting a license for a gun capable of mass murder...
double tractor trailer license hauling hazmat license is to make sure you have the skills to operate plus a background check. If it was as easy to operate as a gun, all you would need is a background check.

You should stop because you don't understand guns. Do you have any idea of the killing power of an assault rifle vs a handgun? The reason these mass killings are not worse (I can't believe I am say this) is because these insane people are just that and don't think straight.   
I'm trying to figure out where he draws the line, because most leftists would not be willing to actually draw the line at anything less than a full gun ban.

Except that according to my research the “background check” is pretty meaningless if a person ex. Cruz paddock. Haven’t committed a crime yet...making it easy for them to acquire these guns.
Making it more difficult/expensive won't stop them, they are determined sick individuals.

I as much as everyone here would love to stop all shootings, but making it more difficult will not stop a deranged individual.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #212 on: February 15, 2018, 01:05:50 PM »



 Making it more difficult/expensive won't stop them, they are determined sick individuals.

I as much as everyone here would love to stop all shootings, but making it more difficult will not stop a deranged individual.
Conjecture.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #213 on: February 15, 2018, 01:06:30 PM »
I'm trying to figure out where he draws the line, because most leftists would not be willing to actually draw the line at anything less than a full gun ban.
We are aware there are those that want to ban guns. They are a small minority. We are talking about a common sense approach. Banning assault rifles and HCM is a common sense approach. We are so FU as a nation we can even agree to ban bump stocks.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #214 on: February 15, 2018, 01:33:19 PM »
We are aware there are those that want to ban guns. They are a small minority. We are talking about a common sense approach. Banning assault rifles and HCM is a common sense approach. We are so FU as a nation we can even agree to ban bump stocks.
It doesn't take much to be able to do what a bump stock does without having a bump stock.
Again, a knee jerk reaction, that doesn't solve the problem.
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« Reply #215 on: February 15, 2018, 01:36:55 PM »
It doesn't take much to be able to do what a bump stock does without having a bump stock.
Again, a knee jerk reaction, that doesn't solve the problem.
The problem is you and those like you. You are completely clueless when it comes to guns. You are just repeating the nonsense you have heard.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #216 on: February 15, 2018, 01:38:24 PM »
The problem is you and those like you. You are completely clueless when it comes to guns. You are just repeating the nonsense you have heard.
Instead of just calling me clueless, why can't we have civilized discussion?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #217 on: February 15, 2018, 01:45:20 PM »
Instead of just calling me clueless, why can't we have civilized discussion?
We can as I pointed out to you the fire power of an assault rifle. These mass shooters are not the sharpest tack in the box. They use what they see and are readily available. If you ban bump stocks they are not going to build one on their own. If you ban HCM the same thing. Your only response is that will not work. How is that an honest discussion?

Lets give this a try. Give me one practical purpose for an AR assault rifle? Stopping the next holocaust is not a valid answer. 
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #218 on: February 15, 2018, 02:08:58 PM »
We can as I pointed out to you the fire power of an assault rifle. These mass shooters are not the sharpest tack in the box. They use what they see and are readily available. If you ban bump stocks they are not going to build one on their own. If you ban HCM the same thing. Your only response is that will not work. How is that an honest discussion?

Lets give this a try. Give me one practical purpose for an AR assault rifle? Stopping the next holocaust is not a valid answer.
well what if im out hunting and the bear gets annoyed that i hit him with my 9mm peashooter im gonna have to have an ar15 for self defense
(or something along those lines of creativity)
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #219 on: February 15, 2018, 02:12:41 PM »
well what if im out hunting and the bear gets annoyed that i hit him with my 9mm peashooter im gonna have to have an ar15 for self defense
(or something along those lines of creativity)
That's why I own a .300 Weatherby Magnum and not an AR. They do make real hunting rifles.  ;)
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