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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
11) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct  (R)

Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 200196 times)

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #260 on: February 15, 2018, 05:51:02 PM »
Does the second amendment cover ammunition?
is ammo arms?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #261 on: February 15, 2018, 05:53:36 PM »
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If his opinion is that individual rights are not very important, then we are headed for an all out DPRK
False absolute fallacy.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #262 on: February 15, 2018, 05:59:01 PM »
False absolute fallacy.
I'm not sure why you disagree, but I guess we'll agree to disagree.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #263 on: February 15, 2018, 06:01:57 PM »
The R's say the problem is we need to enforce the laws we have and not enact more. I guess they are good with FL laws were this killer cannot buy a beer or a handgun but is allowed to buy a military style assault weapon. Insanity at its best!!!
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #264 on: February 15, 2018, 06:06:07 PM »
I'm not sure why you disagree, but I guess we'll agree to disagree.
There can be curtailment of guns without destroying the 2nd amendment.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #265 on: February 15, 2018, 06:11:46 PM »
The big question is what can be enacted which will actually be effective. Yes, any gun law may involve curtailing a freedom. If it saves lives then it may be worth it. Is saving 25 lives a year while leaving the remaining thousands of gun murders unaddressed worth curtailing freedoms for or should we really work on getting a real thought through solution which may help many more than that? Is there a point in a shoot from the hip solution in reaction to a specific tragedy over working on something which will actually address the problem? All of the finger pointing and straight out dishonesty from everyone trying to use the emotions for political gain for their agenda is not only unhelpful but detrimental.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #267 on: February 15, 2018, 06:18:49 PM »
There can be curtailment of guns without destroying the 2nd amendment.
Agreed, I don't have an issue with putting that up for discussion, I do have a massive issue with someone eluding to "individual rights are not important"
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #268 on: February 15, 2018, 06:22:16 PM »
Agreed, I don't have an issue with putting that up for discussion, I do have a massive issue with someone eluding to "individual rights are not important"
i dont think anyone here ever said that
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #269 on: February 15, 2018, 06:24:00 PM »
i dont think anyone here ever said that
Of course we did. None of us care about rights.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #270 on: February 15, 2018, 06:25:03 PM »
Of course we did. None of us care about rights.
can you ever agree with anybody about anything?!? :)
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #271 on: February 15, 2018, 06:27:19 PM »
can you ever agree with anybody about anything?!? :)
No.  :P
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #272 on: February 15, 2018, 06:29:38 PM »
No.  :P
sometimes i wonder if @ChaimMoskowitz  is just saying things he doesnt really believe just to rile up the masses..... i prefere to say that rather than its his true beliefs
nailed you!
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #273 on: February 15, 2018, 06:38:11 PM »
nailed you!
He's been pretty reasonable here.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #274 on: February 15, 2018, 06:38:19 PM »
i dont think anyone here ever said that
Thats the way I understood this

plenty of "rights" have been taken away
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #275 on: February 15, 2018, 06:41:25 PM »
My issue with the pro-gun arguments I'm seeing here is that you're essentially saying there's no politically viable solution to this problem - and we're okay with that. All this talk of 'lets not make rash decisions, let's think it through and come up with a moderate solution', etc - it's nonsense. This is not a new problem. Anything that can be thought of to fix it has been thought of. If the Republicans proposed this mythical moderate solution today, it wouldn't be the Democrats stopping it. So again it comes down to saying we're okay with the problem because xyz. And at least if everyone were honest about that fact, I'd have some measure of respect, even if I disagree.

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #276 on: February 15, 2018, 06:45:43 PM »
Are you allowed to carry a gun in Israel?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #277 on: February 15, 2018, 06:47:11 PM »
My issue with the pro-gun arguments I'm seeing here is that you're essentially saying there's no politically viable solution to this problem - and we're okay with that. All this talk of 'lets not make rash decisions, let's think it through and come up with a moderate solution', etc - it's nonsense. This is not a new problem. Anything that can be thought of to fix it has been thought of. If the Republicans proposed this mythical moderate solution today, it wouldn't be the Democrats stopping it. So again it comes down to saying we're okay with the problem because xyz. And at least if everyone were honest about that fact, I'd have some measure of respect, even if I disagree.
I would love for someone, anyone R or D, to actually get up and purpose a half reasonable bill rather than them all blowing hot air each time this happens or proposing bills they know can't get passed to score political points. Unfortunately that is what politicians do best.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #278 on: February 15, 2018, 06:56:14 PM »
Are you allowed to carry a gun in Israel?
Very difficult to get a carry license unless you're a security guard, tour guide, etc

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #279 on: February 15, 2018, 06:57:22 PM »
Very difficult to get a carry license unless you're a security guard, tour guide, etc
What about just owning a gun, same?
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