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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
11) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct  (R)

Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 200378 times)

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #300 on: February 16, 2018, 09:17:06 AM »
Just wondering..does anyone here think that Is don't care about ppl getting killed by mass shootings?

And do those ppl believe that Da don't care about ppl murdered by illegals??

My point?

When either of them happen, the opposing positions go on a hellfire mission on the other, forcing them to defend at all costs.

That's why there can be no agreement on Gun control.
The reason there can be no agreement is because most are taking political positions. Those political views go out the window when it happens to them.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #301 on: February 16, 2018, 09:25:46 AM »
Would you consider a kid who takes a gun to school and kills himself a school shooting?
No, not in the context of this conversation.
Now my turn, if all gun violence in the usa was intentionaly self inflicted, would you still think we have a gun issue?

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #302 on: February 16, 2018, 09:26:42 AM »
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #303 on: February 16, 2018, 09:35:39 AM »
No, not in the context of this conversation.
Now my turn, if all gun violence in the usa was intentionaly self inflicted, would you still think we have a gun issue?
1 - The context of this thread is "mass" shootings. So if I understand you correctly, you do consider it a school shooting?
2 - If the numbers were the same (deaths every year caused by guns) absolutely it would be a gun issue. That does not mean there are not other issues involved just like now.

Ok now your turn again to the follow up.  :)
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #304 on: February 16, 2018, 09:42:11 AM »
There's a silly equivalency though. Dems don't profess to want what you call a half reasonable bill', not are they in power. Republicans on the other hand...

I don't have to side with the liberal idea of fully banning guns to feel like the Republicans are dropping the ball here in a big way.
The Ds had a filibuster proof congress from 2009-2011, and they didn't pass gun control. The Ds have no interest in passing any laws, because they would have to get into details and they don't want to, it would also mean that they have no talking points when the next shooting happens, because gun control won't stop the shootings.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27204/gun-control-isnt-policy-its-empty-slogan-designed-ben-shapiro
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #305 on: February 16, 2018, 09:44:59 AM »
The Ds had a filibuster proof congress from 2009-2011, and they didn't pass gun control. The Ds have no interest in passing any laws, because they would have to get into details and they don't want to, it would also mean that they have no talking points when the next shooting happens, because gun control won't stop the shootings.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27204/gun-control-isnt-policy-its-empty-slogan-designed-ben-shapiro
Don't you get it? Your mentality is the problem. You can't separate politics from your thinking.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #306 on: February 16, 2018, 09:56:54 AM »
Non-PC opinion- Banning guns is just a convenient way of ignoring the gun violence caused by minorities. Remove their numbers from the statistics and we'd be having a drastically different discussion.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #307 on: February 16, 2018, 10:08:42 AM »
Non-PC opinion- Banning guns is just a convenient way of ignoring the gun violence caused by minorities. Remove their numbers from the statistics and we'd be having a drastically different discussion.
We are not talking banning guns.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #308 on: February 16, 2018, 10:11:21 AM »
We are not talking banning guns.

Same applies to the "gun control" discussion.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #309 on: February 16, 2018, 10:13:25 AM »
Same applies to the "gun control" discussion.
You might want to check your figures. AR's are involved in these stats you are talking about?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #310 on: February 16, 2018, 11:39:01 AM »
You might want to check your figures. AR's are involved in these stats you are talking about?

ChaimMoskowitz, can you clarify your position on gun control? What law is it exactly that you want Congress to pass?

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #311 on: February 16, 2018, 11:43:10 AM »
ChaimMoskowitz, can you clarify your position on gun control? What law is it exactly that you want Congress to pass?
What about something along the lines that Israel has?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #312 on: February 16, 2018, 11:46:34 AM »
ChaimMoskowitz, can you clarify your position on gun control? What law is it exactly that you want Congress to pass?
I would ban assault rifles, HCM and bump stocks is a no brainer. To me it would have zero affect on the legal gun owner.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #313 on: February 16, 2018, 11:47:03 AM »
What about something along the lines that Israel has?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #314 on: February 16, 2018, 11:55:23 AM »
OK, and what say you about the Virginia Tech shooter who used a Glock 19?
I would say we have many gun problems and we need to start somewhere. Doing nothing is unacceptable. VT is a classic example of our system and laws failing us. He should have never been allowed to own a gun.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #315 on: February 16, 2018, 12:04:18 PM »
I would say we have many gun problems and we need to start somewhere. Doing nothing is unacceptable.
I agree with you.

I take issue with the solution being something that "feels like it's helping" VS coming up with solutions that people may not want to hear, but can actually solve an underlying issue without creating more issues.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #316 on: February 16, 2018, 12:07:02 PM »
I would ban assault rifles, HCM and bump stocks is a no brainer. To me it would have zero affect on the legal gun owner.

What capacity is HCM?

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #317 on: February 16, 2018, 12:08:44 PM »
I agree with you.

I take issue with the solution being something that "feels like it's helping" VS coming up with solutions that people may not want to hear, but can actually solve an underlying issue without creating more issues.
No one knows at this point what will work. Common sense approaches is where to start. You have the president saying mental health is the issue but signs a bill that makes it easier for people with problems to get guns. Instead those like you speaking out against it you choose to look the other way.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #318 on: February 16, 2018, 12:09:08 PM »
What capacity is HCM?
High Capacity Magazines
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #319 on: February 16, 2018, 12:09:38 PM »
High Capacity Magazines

I meant how many bullets in a HCM?