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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
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Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 200188 times)

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #320 on: February 16, 2018, 12:11:40 PM »
...solutions that people may not want to hear, but can actually solve an underlying issue without creating more issues.
You keep saying that. Care to take a stab at what that solution might be?

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #321 on: February 16, 2018, 12:12:40 PM »
No one knows at this point what will work. Common sense approaches is where to start. You have the president saying mental health is the issue but signs a bill that makes it easier for people with problems to get guns. Instead those like you speaking out against it you choose to look the other way.
Because it's a myth. You don't get to take away peoples rights without due process.



The proof from VT is that putting limitations on guns does little to help when the shooter is in a gun free zone with no opposition.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #322 on: February 16, 2018, 12:13:11 PM »
I meant how many bullets in a HCM?
That is up for debate. I would hope everyone could agree 50-100+ rounds would fit the description of HCM.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #323 on: February 16, 2018, 12:14:08 PM »
You keep saying that. Care to take a stab at what that solution might be?
Stop making schools and colleges "Gun Free Zones" that's the common denominator in almost all mass shootings.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #324 on: February 16, 2018, 12:16:36 PM »
Because it's a myth. You don't get to take away peoples rights without due process.



The proof from VT is that putting limitations on guns does little to help when the shooter is in a gun free zone with no opposition.
Please stop with your nonsense when you don't understand the issue. SCOTUS has already ruled you can have limitations on guns. VT was a mentally ill person that should have not been able to buy a gun. Why don't you speak out against the President who made it easier for people with problems to buy guns. You are the problem. Just face facts.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #325 on: February 16, 2018, 12:17:33 PM »
Stop making schools and colleges "Gun Free Zones" that's the common denominator in almost all mass shootings.
Sorry but you are a complete idiot when it comes to this subject.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #326 on: February 16, 2018, 12:17:49 PM »
You keep saying that. Care to take a stab at what that solution might be?
bad choice of words for this context. Ban knives!!!!

Even though the question was not addressed to me, my answer is that I do not have enough knowledge of guns to come up with any answer but would would love for anyone R or D to go ahead and actually propose a bill which has a chance of passing with negotiation and amendments etc. and not be overturned by SCOTUS. The Rs have not proposed anything of substance and the Ds have only proposed things which can't pass or would be overturned. That means neither is serious about the issue and only wishes to score points. I am very open to a Dem bill with restrictions on guns.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #327 on: February 16, 2018, 12:19:43 PM »
Stop making schools and colleges "Gun Free Zones" that's the common denominator in almost all mass shootings.
It is not the common denominator. Orlando shooting was in a club. Vegas. Southerland Springs Church shooting.

I think assault weapons and bump stocks are more of a common denominator.

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #328 on: February 16, 2018, 12:19:54 PM »
Stop making schools and colleges "Gun Free Zones" that's the common denominator in almost all mass shootings.
Sutherland Springs? Vegas? Orlando? San Bernadino? Washington Navy Yard? Aurora? Fort Hood?

I'm just listing the ones that weren't school/college. Don't know the details regarding gun laws in each location.

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #329 on: February 16, 2018, 12:20:13 PM »
Sorry but you are a complete idiot when it comes to this subject.
He is just regurgitating the opinions he hears.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #330 on: February 16, 2018, 12:21:16 PM »
Please stop with your nonsense when you don't understand the issue. SCOTUS has already ruled you can have limitations on guns. VT was a mentally ill person that should have not been able to buy a gun. Why don't you speak out against the President who made it easier for people with problems to buy guns. You are the problem. Just face facts.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/disability-rights/gun-control-laws-should-be-fair Even the ACLU wanted the Obama law repealed.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #331 on: February 16, 2018, 12:21:29 PM »
bad choice of words for this context. Ban knives!!!!

Even though the question was not addressed to me, my answer is that I do not have enough knowledge of guns to come up with any answer but would would love for anyone R or D to go ahead and actually propose a bill which has a chance of passing with negotiation and amendments etc. and not be overturned by SCOTUS. The Rs have not proposed anything of substance and the Ds have only proposed things which can't pass or would be overturned. That means neither is serious about the issue and only wishes to score points. I am very open to a Dem bill with restrictions on guns.

Why would banning assault weapons be overturned ? There already was a ban on fully automatic weapons that was allowed to expire about 10 years ago.

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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #332 on: February 16, 2018, 12:23:08 PM »
The #1 common denominator is mass shootings is a GUN. So lets not address the GUN problem but instead just spew nonsense.
Stop making schools and colleges "Gun Free Zones" that's the common denominator in almost all mass shootings.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #333 on: February 16, 2018, 12:24:53 PM »
It is not the common denominator. Orlando shooting was in a club. Vegas. Southerland Springs Church shooting.

I think assault weapons and bump stocks are more of a common denominator.
Per Florida’s concealed carry law, those with a license to carry may not carry their firearms into an establishment that serves alcohol. - Orlando shooting was a gun free zone.
Vegas is an exception, thats why I said almost all.
Southerland Springs Church was a gun free zone.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #334 on: February 16, 2018, 12:24:57 PM »
No one knows at this point what will work. Common sense approaches is where to start. You have the president saying mental health is the issue but signs a bill that makes it easier for people with problems to get guns. Instead those like you speaking out against it you choose to look the other way.

Here is what I think:

Every time a shooting like this happens, there are sensible Conservatives who are willing to pass a bill for the gun laws you suggested. But all that immediately goes out the window when the Left comes along with articles like this:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/guns-second-amendment-nra.html?referer=https://www.google.com/


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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #335 on: February 16, 2018, 12:26:30 PM »
https://www.aclu.org/blog/disability-rights/gun-control-laws-should-be-fair Even the ACLU wanted the Obama law repealed.
I don't give a rats *ss what the ACLU thinks. You only use them when they agree with you, totally dishonest. Now address the issue. Why don't you speak out against the president for signing that law or do you agree with him?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #336 on: February 16, 2018, 12:27:45 PM »
Why would banning assault weapons be overturned ? There already was a ban on fully automatic weapons that was allowed to expire about 10 years ago.
I don't think it would. They passed on reviewing some state assault weapon bans as recently as Nov.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #337 on: February 16, 2018, 12:28:10 PM »
Sutherland Springs? Vegas? Orlando? San Bernadino? Washington Navy Yard? Aurora? Fort Hood?

I'm just listing the ones that weren't school/college. Don't know the details regarding gun laws in each location.
Other than Vegas, they were all in gun free zones.
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #338 on: February 16, 2018, 12:28:53 PM »
Here is what I think:

Every time a shooting like this happens, there are sensible Conservatives who are willing to pass a bill for the gun laws you suggested. But all that immediately goes out the window when the Left comes along with articles like this:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/guns-second-amendment-nra.html?referer=https://www.google.com/
I think we can all agree there are extremist on both sides. What if there was a bill to ban bump stocks and no other issues attached. Do you think it would pass?
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Re: Another mass shooting!!!
« Reply #339 on: February 16, 2018, 12:29:01 PM »
Here is what I think:

Every time a shooting like this happens, there are sensible Conservatives who are willing to pass a bill for the gun laws you suggested. But all that immediately goes out the window when the Left comes along with articles like this:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/guns-second-amendment-nra.html?referer=https://www.google.com/



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