Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)

[aygart]

[ChaimMoskowitz]

What's truly insanity is thinking that by removing one tool we're accomplishing anything beyond feeling good.

There are many demonstrated ways that people have used to kill. Bombings, arson, handguns (Virginia Tech, 32 killed in a mass school shooting by handguns - yes, once again, more people than Sandy Hook, more people then this shooting in Florida), etc.

The vast majority of homicides is through handguns.

However, let's destroy the 2A in outlawing a common firearm used by millions of law abiding citizens, let's destroy the other Amendments in trying to illegally seize personal property, all so that we can feel good that we "tried to do something about it".

Until people start using chains to lock doors of schools and burn the buildings. Or commit Oklahoma City style bombings. Or poison the school lunch. Or...

Enough.

Stop conflating a suicide on school premises with a mass school shooting.

Start proposing measures that could actually have an impact.

Then we can have a serious discussion.

Until then you're part of the problem.

Classic deflection. I know for a fact your ideas will never work but I have none of my own. VT was a mentally ill person that should never been allowed to own a gun. Why don't you address this issue instead of avoiding it?

[aygart]

What's truly insanity is thinking that by removing one tool we're accomplishing anything beyond feeling good.

Why? One tool is now removed and we are that much better off for it.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

What does committing suicide have to do with school shootings?

Why would someone go to a school to commit suicide? You have an unstable kid at a school with a gun. He decide for whatever reason to use it on himself instead of others. I consider that a school shooting. What is so hard to understand?

[yitzgar]

Why? One tool is now removed and we are that much better off for it.

+1 obviously there are still ways for people to (mass) murder, so we also need to address the underlying factors, not just the tools which are used. (One can still debate how much freedom is worth giving up to save lives, a discussion not limited to guns)

[yitzgar]

Why would someone go to a school to commit suicide? You have an unstable kid at a school with a gun. He decide for whatever reason to use it on himself instead of others. I consider that a school shooting. What is so hard to understand?

True, and even he only planned on committing suicide, very possibly wouldn't have done it if no one was there to see.

[yitzgar]

I think part of the reason nothing gets done is because some talk as if guns are the issue rather than just saying a ban would help stem the flow like a band aid, while others pretend banning certain weapons wouldn't help at all.

[Sport]

Why would someone go to a school to commit suicide? You have an unstable kid at a school with a gun. He decide for whatever reason to use it on himself instead of others. I consider that a school shooting. What is so hard to understand?

You didnt specify committing suicide with a gun. In this game of words semantics are  important.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I think part of the reason nothing gets done is because some talk as if guns are the issue rather than just saying a ban would help stem the flow like a band aid, while others pretend banning certain weapons wouldn't help at all.

You have nuts on both sides. Then have the nuts from both sides that pretend to be objective but have no ideas.

[ssvarc]

Classic deflection. I know for a fact your ideas will never work but I have none of my own. VT was a mentally ill person that should never been allowed to own a gun. Why don't you address this issue instead of avoiding it?

Deflection to point out that there's already been multiple other methods used to commit mass school murders, and that therefore your idée fixe about destroying our civil liberties in order to ban one tool is both irrelevant and dangerous?

How about a cogent comment that totally undercut your appeal to emotion, so you needed to resort to innuendo? That's how I like to think about it.

I agree with you that mental health plays a large part in preventing these tragedies, and I'm glad that my comments caused you to talk about it.

If you'll now propose a common sense mental health regulation that doesn't trample all over due process with hobnailed boots, we might actually be able to agree on something.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

You didnt specify committing suicide with a gun. In this game of words semantics are  important.

Unless I am mistaken one of the cases was a suicide.

[Sport]

Unless I am mistaken one of the cases was a suicide.

I think so.
Let me ask you this, since there have been 17 previous school shootings since 2018 where can I  find the 17 threads similiar to this one for each of those incidents? You must have been equally  outraged after hearing of each one.

[yuneeq]

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I think so.
Let me ask you this, since there have been 17 previous school shootings since 2018 where can I  find the 17 threads similiar to this one for each of those incidents? You must have been equally  outraged after hearing of each one.

IIRC the one report said 25. 
Did you see the title of this thread? Key word was "mass".

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Deflection to point out that there's already been multiple other methods used to commit mass school murders, and that therefore your idée fixe about destroying our civil liberties in order to ban one tool is both irrelevant and dangerous?

How about a cogent comment that totally undercut your appeal to emotion, so you needed to resort to innuendo? That's how I like to think about it.

I agree with you that mental health plays a large part in preventing these tragedies, and I'm glad that my comments caused you to talk about it.

If you'll now propose a common sense mental health regulation that doesn't trample all over due process with hobnailed boots, we might actually be able to agree on something.

Mental health is an issue. BO addressed this on a small scale and you are against it with no ideas of your own.
SCOTUS has ruled that certain gun restrictions are constitutional. No ones rights are getting trampled no matter how many times you repeat that BS.

[avromie7]

IIRC the one report said 25. 
Did you see the title of this thread? Key word was "mass".

You were the one to bring it up

18 school shootings this year already. Keep doing nothing and expect different results? 

[Sport]

IIRC the one report said 25. 
Did you see the title of this thread? Key word was "mass".

I'm not the one who brought the other shootings into this thread.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I'm not the one who brought the other shootings into this thread.

I did. Are you trying to say my point was any school shooting was a "mass" school shooting? Kids bringing guns into school is a big problem but different from mass shootings.

[avromie7]

Mental health is an issue. BO addressed this on a small scale and you are against it with no ideas of your own.

I agree with him that we can't arbitrarily take away peoples rights without due process. Do you disagree with that or do you believe the law did not do that?

Can you answer this question?

SCOTUS has ruled that certain gun restrictions are constitutional. No ones rights are getting trampled no matter how many times you repeat that BS.

It's not a protected right, but it's still a right.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Can you answer this question?
 

Link to the law? Was it challenged in court?