Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)

[davidrotts63]

What were you looking for? 29% of gun owners own 5+ guns?

Nope, it was a stat about the amount of gun owners under 21.
But that one does say something too.

[ssvarc]

Huh?

If three out of ten adults with a high school diploma or less level of education have guns (which is the stat he brought to the discussion), it's logical to assume that some of those are actually still in school.

Depending on where the stat is from, that can be many thousands of people, all of whom are law abiding, etc.

This would disprove those who feel that 18 is too young.

That it's how I understood what he was saying.

[davidrotts63]

If three out of ten adults with a high school diploma or less level of education have guns (which is the stat he brought to the discussion), it's logical to assume that some of those are actually still in school.

Depending on where the stat is from, that can be many thousands of people, all of whom are law abiding, etc.

This would disprove those who feel that 18 is too young.

That it's how I understood what he was saying.

That was my goal, but I can't find the stat I actually wanted about those -21

[yitzgar]

If three out of ten adults with a high school diploma or less level of education have guns (which is the stat he brought to the discussion), it's logical to assume that some of those are actually still in school.

Depending on where the stat is from, that can be many thousands of people, all of whom are law abiding, etc.

This would disprove those who feel that 18 is too young.

That it's how I understood what he was saying.

I don't think it's logical. Kids in school usually wouldn't have the money for one thing

[aygart]

If three out of ten adults with a high school diploma or less level of education have guns (which is the stat he brought to the discussion), it's logical to assume that some of those are actually still in school.

Depending on where the stat is from, that can be many thousands of people, all of whom are law abiding, etc.

This would disprove those who feel that 18 is too young.

That it's how I understood what he was saying.

Circular reasoning.
It shows what I want it to show therefore it must be true.

[ssvarc]

I don't think it's logical. Kids in school usually wouldn't have the money for one thing

You don't have a clue.

Many kids work part time jobs (and basically all major expenses are being paid for by parents). Many parents buy their kids guns as presents. Etc.

[davidrotts63]

Nope, it was a stat about the amount of gun owners under 21.
But that one does say something too.

Here's a stat, this doesn't differentiate between - 21 and 21+,still hard to question the sanity of these

one in five 18- to 29-year-olds (21%) say they own a gun

[CS1]

Here's a stat, this doesn't differentiate between - 21 and 21+,still hard to question the sanity of these

  " one in five 18- to 29-year-olds (21%) say they own a gun"

" a gun" is one thing. However owning 6 full-sized guns/assault rifles at the age of 19 together with a history of self-cutting, autism, and zero parental supervision plus not completing high school is a recipe for disaster. These are documented facts.

[davidrotts63]

  " one in five 18- to 29-year-olds (21%) say they own a gun"

" a gun"  6 guns at the age of 19 together with a history of self-cutting, autism, and zero parental supervision plus not completing high school is a recipe for disaster. These are documented facts.

That makes the rest if them insane, and incompetent?

[ssvarc]

  " one in five 18- to 29-year-olds (21%) say they own a gun"

" a gun" is one thing. However owning 6 full-sized guns/assault rifles at the age of 19 together with a history of self-cutting, autism, and zero parental supervision plus not completing high school is a recipe for disaster. These are documented facts.

The fact that you bold the amount of guns and not the mental health issues shows your myopic POV.

If he's stable, six guns are fine.

If he's dangerous, one is too many.

Let me ask you, how many did he use when he actually murdered people?

It's these sort of inanities that preclude a serious discussion.

[CS1]

The fact that you bold the amount of guns and not the mental health issues shows your myopic POV.

If he's stable, six guns are fine.

If he's dangerous, one is too many.

Let me ask you, how many did he use when he actually murdered people?

It's these sort of inanities that preclude a serious discussion.

that's exactly the point. Anyone who meets the criteria of what I wrote and also owns 6 guns and assault rifles at age 19, along with his mental-history diagnosis has several red flags. Of course even one gun is too many. Even more so, owning this many guns and assault rifles at this young age without any living parents or adult supervision points to deep mental health issues with his cutting, high school expulsion at age 19, and 39 FBI visits, etc...

[davidrotts63]

that's exactly the point. Anyone who meets the criteria of what I wrote and also owns 6 guns and assault rifles at age 19, along with his mental-history diagnosis has several red flags. Of course even one gun is too many. Even more so, owning this many guns and assault rifles at this young age without any living parents or adult supervision points to deep mental health issues with his cutting, high school expulsion at age 19, and 39 FBI visits, etc...

You missed the point. Why don't you stop with the 6 guns point?

The fact that you bold the amount of guns and not the mental health issues shows your myopic POV.

If he's stable, six guns are fine.

If he's dangerous, one is too many.

[ssvarc]

1. And that is as effective and fast as an assault rifle?
2. What purpose do they serve? As recently as Nov courts have allowed assault weapons bans. You are again making a straw man argument conflating assault weapons bans with a complete gun ban.
3. need to review that.
4. I am open to banning assault rifles but did not call for it. You are not arguing against the NYT writer now.

1. Yes. (In the context of a killer perpetrating a mass casualty event of his choosing.) I've already brought the example of Virginia Tech - the deadliest school shooting, not committed by terrorists, in history. Handguns.

The vast majority of mass casualty shootings in the US (four deaths or more) are committed using handguns.

2. The basis for allowing a Constitutional right (yes, 2A meets that criteria) isn't if @aygart can figure out the purpose.

@aygart should only be allowed to exercise his 1A right to free speech on DDF to the tune of 300K words a year. If he can't make his point in that amount of words, what's the purpose?

With all due respect, the fact that the only reason you could cudgel up in your brain for wanting to possess an AR is to murder people, speaks volumes as to the level of the debate here. (Hint: Not high)

AR's are extremely common, there are millions in America; if all their owners wanted to murder people we would be awash in deaths.

The sheer insanity of your supposition is matched only by you holding on to it after being challenged.

Finally, I'm not sure what you're referring to in regard to November, but if the ban in question is on aspects of various weapons, while having no effect on deaths (how well did CA's laws work in San Bernardino?), it might well be legal.

However, after Heller, a ban (or defacto ban like D.C. used to have) on any common class of firearm is illegal.

3. Please do so.

4. I'm speaking to you, someone who believes that the millions of AR owners are walking time bombs. I'm speaking to the people in this thread who have called for a total ban on a common class of firearm (AR's). I'm speaking to the person who, in this thread, said he would like a total ban on all firearms but would start with AR's.

I can't hear you for all the rustling.

[yuneeq]

that's exactly the point. Anyone who meets the criteria of what I wrote and also owns 6 guns and assault rifles at age 19, along with his mental-history diagnosis has several red flags. Of course even one gun is too many. Even more so, owning this many guns and assault rifles at this young age without any living parents or adult supervision points to deep mental health issues with his cutting, high school expulsion at age 19, and 39 FBI visits, etc...

What's your point, that there was 100 red flags and not 50?
In case it isn't completely obvious to you by now, the FBI is completely incompetent.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I am amazed how certain individuals in this thread had ZERO ideas for solutions. They are basically clueless when it comes to guns and the constitution. They should really just STFU because they are the problem!!!

[ChaimMoskowitz]

...the FBI is completely incompetent.

Just the latest in brilliant comments! 

[ssvarc]

I am amazed how certain individuals in this thread had ZERO ideas for solutions. They are basically clueless when it comes to guns and the constitution. They should really just STFU because they are the problem!!!

Blah, blah, blah. As long as it's trying to do something, and it's outlawing some sort of gun, right?

I think, instead, like this wise comment...

...You should think before posting reckless ideas.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Blah, blah, blah. As long as it's trying to do something, and it's outlawing some sort of gun, right?

I think, instead, like this wise comment...

It is called common sense approach something you cant see. You have ZERO ideas so attack those that do.

[ssvarc]

It is called common sense approach something you cant see. You have ZERO ideas so attack those that do.

I think your so-called common sense ideas are actually ill conceived, ideas that will hurt us.

Just because you shout them while standing on top of the bodies of children, won't give you enough fake moral superiority to bully others into agreeing with you.

You're part of the problem.

Stop.

If you need to purpose ideas, at least purpose idea that everyone could agree with, and that might actually help.

(Mental health, increasing armed security in schools, etc.)

[ChaimMoskowitz]

(Mental health, increasing armed security in schools, etc.)

I am not against those ideas. When BO did something to try and stop individuals with problems to get a gun the right was against it. Then the president reverses it and clueless individuals like you say nothing or use a group you hate like the ACLU to make your argument. Look in the mirror and you will see the problem.