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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
11) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct  (R)

Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 200103 times)

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #640 on: February 20, 2018, 04:10:25 PM »
That is the whole problem. The same issue with AR's.
The concept of them are so much cooler.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #641 on: February 20, 2018, 04:15:21 PM »
Yup. Passing limited sort of maybe bumpstock plus waiting period plus background check + fill in the blanks might add a few days in between mass shootings, but only a pretty drastic curtailment of 2nd amendment rights will really accomplish anything. And unfortunately, that will take a culture change.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #643 on: February 20, 2018, 04:19:09 PM »
Yup. Passing limited sort of maybe bumpstock plus waiting period plus background check + fill in the blanks might add a few days in between mass shootings, but only a pretty drastic curtailment of 2nd amendment rights will really accomplish anything. And unfortunately, that will take a culture change.
Yeah so lets do nothing. Whats a couple of extra shooting here and there?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #644 on: February 20, 2018, 04:21:15 PM »
Yup. Passing limited sort of maybe bumpstock plus waiting period plus background check + fill in the blanks might add a few days in between mass shootings, but only a pretty drastic curtailment of 2nd amendment rights will really accomplish anything. And unfortunately, that will take a culture change.
What about allowing good guns to fight back against bad guns? It's not by chance that almost all mass shootings happen in "Gun Free Zones".

ETA: It's a hell of a lot easier to implement, and it also protects against illegal guns.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #645 on: February 20, 2018, 04:23:08 PM »
https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/966053752196227079
Finally!!! Who wants to bet the gun nuts will be yelling their rights are being taken away.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #646 on: February 20, 2018, 04:24:59 PM »
Finally!!! Who wants to bet the gun nuts will be yelling their rights are being taken away.
Who wants to bet fun control freaks will be yelling it's not nearly enough
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #647 on: February 20, 2018, 04:28:43 PM »
Who wants to bet fun control freaks will be yelling it's not nearly enough
The difference is the sane individuals understand it is not enough.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #648 on: February 20, 2018, 04:30:58 PM »
The difference is the sane individuals understand it is not enough.
It also proves that the left doesn't want to stop where they say they do, if you give them a finger, they'll want a hand. It wo nt stop at anything less than a full repeal of 2A
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #649 on: February 20, 2018, 04:32:49 PM »
It also proves that the left doesn't want to stop where they say they do, if you give them a finger, they'll want a hand. It wo nt stop at anything less than a full repeal of 2A
We are not talking about the nutcases at both ends. We are talking about the majority of sane people in the middle.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #650 on: February 20, 2018, 04:37:46 PM »
We are not talking about the nutcases at both ends. We are talking about the majority of sane people in the middle.
What do you feel is the limit on how much gun control there should be? I know you want to ban bump stocks, and and HCM. What other legislation would you like to see?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #651 on: February 20, 2018, 04:50:47 PM »
What do you feel is the limit on how much gun control there should be? I know you want to ban bump stocks, and and HCM. What other legislation would you like to see?
Assault rifles is number one on the list. Then we have to limit access to individuals with problems.

Do you hear anyone screaming that felons should be able to own guns? Don't they have rights. 2A doesn't preclude them from owning guns. I am just pointing out you can have laws that certain individuals can't own guns.

Then what about legit gun owners that don't properly secure there guns that end up in the hands of criminals?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #652 on: February 20, 2018, 05:18:45 PM »
Assault rifles is number one on the list. Then we have to limit access to individuals with problems.

Do you hear anyone screaming that felons should be able to own guns? Don't they have rights. 2A doesn't preclude them from owning guns. I am just pointing out you can have laws that certain individuals can't own guns.

Then what about legit gun owners that don't properly secure there guns that end up in the hands of criminals?
What do you feel is the limit on how much gun control there should be? I know you want to ban bump stocks, and and HCM. What other legislation would you like to see?
Take Australia's gun laws. Copy and paste

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #653 on: February 20, 2018, 05:26:35 PM »
Assault rifles is number one on the list. Then we have to limit access to individuals with problems.

Do you hear anyone screaming that felons should be able to own guns? Don't they have rights. 2A doesn't preclude them from owning guns. I am just pointing out you can have laws that certain individuals can't own guns.

Then what about legit gun owners that don't properly secure there guns that end up in the hands of criminals?
Assuming we had all these laws in place, how do you think it would have effected this mass shooting attack?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #654 on: February 20, 2018, 05:49:49 PM »
Assuming we had all these laws in place, how do you think it would have effected this mass shooting attack?
He would not have an AR.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #655 on: February 20, 2018, 05:55:03 PM »
He would not have an AR.
The AR is not the issue, it's the dead and injured that's the issue. If he didn't have an AR and instead had a semi-automatic handgun, how many people who were killed, would still be alive?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #656 on: February 20, 2018, 05:59:27 PM »
The AR is not the issue, it's the dead and injured that's the issue. If he didn't have an AR and instead had a semi-automatic handgun, how many people who were killed, would still be alive?
Didnt he have a handgun at home? Why did he choose the AR. What about LAS?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #657 on: February 20, 2018, 06:01:43 PM »
Didnt he have a handgun at home? Why did he choose the AR.
Can you answer the question instead of deflecting? It doesn't need to be a specific number, it can be a realistic range.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #658 on: February 20, 2018, 07:16:55 PM »
There are violent video games all over the world. And a fraction of the mass murder.

This will go on. And on. And on. Unless there is a culture change.


As happened with racism and civil rights.
And abortion. And Gay rights.
Assuming the implied idea is true, that violent video games are the cause) even if there are violent video games everywhere, the reason mass shootings take place less in other places, could be because of other reasons, including lack of ability to procure a weapon. However that doesn't mean the weapon is now the cause. Wouldn't it be better to address the root of the problem, rather than just trying to take away the opportunity to perform the shooting?

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #659 on: February 20, 2018, 07:41:11 PM »
Last I checked, freedom of expression is a core freedom, characteristic of every democracy. How you would police every game, video, movie etc. and decide what could and can't be published is a question best answered by totalitarian regimes.
 The "right" to bear arms is a wrinkle unique to America.

The USA used to have other constitutionally enshrined "rights" as well, such as the right to own a human being. These were eliminated as part of a culture change. Other "rights" never before imagined have been read into the Constitution by the courts.

Slowly, (glacially slowly) the mood in the country is changing.

It will take time, but gun control will  eventually be like Gay marriage.