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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
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Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 200139 times)

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #740 on: February 21, 2018, 04:24:29 PM »
Why would he want to be yelled at by a bunch of kids calling for things based on nothing but emotion. It is not like they made an appointment.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #741 on: February 21, 2018, 04:33:39 PM »
Why would he want to be yelled at by a bunch of kids calling for things based on nothing but emotion. It is not like they made an appointment.
Did you watch these kids speeches today? Most of what they said was well thought out.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #742 on: February 21, 2018, 04:39:54 PM »
All he had to do was tell the kids. I am sure they could have done their bus tour another day when he was there.
Instead of posting nonsense try reading up a little on different assault rifles so you can ask educated questions instead of just repeating talking points.
My reading brought me to the conclusion that an AR15 is known as the ideal weapon for home defense.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #743 on: February 21, 2018, 04:50:56 PM »
My reading brought me to the conclusion that an AR15 is known as the ideal weapon for home defense.
WOW you are delusional.
Turn the news on and listen to these kids talking to the president. You will learn something. If give him all the credit for not running away like Gov Scott!!!
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #744 on: February 21, 2018, 04:51:42 PM »
WOW you are delusional.
Turn the news on and listen to these kids talking to the president. You will learn something. If give him all the credit for not running away like Gov Scott!!!
https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/966429169570721792
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #745 on: February 21, 2018, 04:52:39 PM »
Did you watch these kids speeches today? Most of what they said was well thought out.
In which case they were readiong political speeches written for them with an agenda to embarrass Scott. All the more reason to not be there.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #746 on: February 21, 2018, 05:01:42 PM »
In which case they were readiong political speeches written for them with an agenda to embarrass Scott. All the more reason to not be there.
You are 100% wrong.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #747 on: February 21, 2018, 05:02:24 PM »
I go for a late lunch at Bagel Nosh, glance at at DDF, and what do I see?, he's posting again.

This time claiming that @avromie7 didn't ask an educated question.

...
Instead of posting nonsense try reading up a little on different assault rifles so you can ask educated questions instead of just repeating talking points.

What was the uneducated question?

He tries to frame the actual asked question, how should we say this?, less than accurately.

It is not about the right question. It is the question itself is not realistic. You now want me to compare the most powerful handgun to one of the least powerful assault rifle? Are you aware the AR .223 is one of the least powerful assault rifles?

....

And this gem of a reframe:

I didn't assume anything. I answered your question. STOP WITH THE CRYING!!!

Why would a logical person compare the most powerful handgun to one of the least powerful assault rifles? I compared a .22 to a .223 with is slightly bigger in diameter. I happen to own a .44 Magnum which is one of the most powerful handguns made. You want me to use that as a comparison?  ::)

Perhaps because it's not only the diameter, but size (length), weight, and fps that determine lethality of bullets?

So if, as you claim,

Assault rifles have massive killing power.
 ...

we should compare the commonly available, easily obtainable handguns with massive killing power to these rifles, right? Like you were originally asked?

@avromie7 asked you if an SA handgun was substituted for an SA rifle would it have made a difference in the amount of people killed.

The AR is not the issue, it's the dead and injured that's the issue. If he didn't have an AR and instead had a semi-automatic handgun, how many people who were killed, would still be alive?

You, knowing the gig is almost up, start to evade and deflect.

Didnt he have a handgun at home? Why did he choose the AR. What about LAS?

@avromie7 calls you on it.

Can you answer the question instead of deflecting? It doesn't need to be a specific number, it can be a realistic range.

So, as is your wont, you insult and try to move the goalposts by answering with an underpowered handgun.

Your question shows your extreme lack on knowledge of guns. If he use a .22 SA handgun I would say one or two as a high number.

@avromie7 tries to bring the discussion back to all commonly available, far deadlier, SA handguns.

Ok so since you claim to be the expert, what would be the deadliest SA handgun, and what would the number be?

You now claim to have answered the question.

LOL
I answer the question. Now the answer doesn’t fit your point so now you want to change the question.

(Actually you didn't, as the question wasn't if it was replaced with a .22 SA, but rather an SA. All commonly available SA's.

You're desperately attempting to reframe the question, because you're afraid of the answer.)

@avromie7 calls out this latest attempt at evasion.

You twisted it to give the answer you wanted, which still doesn't disprove my point

You try to obfuscate the easy availability of deadlier SA handguns.

I didn’t twist anything. I picked an extremely popular handgun. I own a few of them. The Ruger is a classic.

@avromie7 presses yet again.

Are you going to answer the updated version of my question, or just deflect it because it doesn't fit your narrative?

Let me answer for you, as you're clearly frightened of this question which cuts to the heart of your narrative.

There would be no discernable difference, as there are many SA handgun calibers that are just as lethal as common AR calibers at the typical distances of these mass shootings.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #748 on: February 21, 2018, 05:09:44 PM »
I go for a late lunch at Bagel Nosh, glance at at DDF, and what do I see?, he's posting again.

This time claiming that @avromie7 didn't ask an educated question.

What was the uneducated question?

He tries to frame the actual asked question, how should we say this?, less than accurately.

And this gem of a reframe:

Perhaps because it's not only the diameter, but size (length), weight, and fps that determine lethality of bullets?

So if, as you claim,

we should compare the commonly available, easily obtainable handguns with massive killing power to these rifles, right? Like you were originally asked?

@avromie7 asked you if an SA handgun was substituted for an SA rifle would it have made a difference in the amount of people killed.

You, knowing the gig is almost up, start to evade and deflect.

@avromie7 calls you on it.

So, as is your wont, you insult and try to move the goalposts by answering with an underpowered handgun.

@avromie7 tries to bring the discussion back to all commonly available, far deadlier, SA handguns.

You now claim to have answered the question.

(Actually you didn't, as the question wasn't if it was replaced with a .22 SA, but rather an SA. All commonly available SA's.

You're desperately attempting to reframe the question, because you're afraid of the answer.)

@avromie7 calls out this latest attempt at evasion.

You try to obfuscate the easy availability of deadlier SA handguns.

@avromie7 presses yet again.

Let me answer for you, as you're clearly frightened of this question which cuts to the heart of your narrative.

There would be no discernable difference, as there are many SA handgun calibers that are just as lethal as common AR calibers at the typical distances of these mass shootings.
All this from someone who has yet showed any facts how more lives have been saved by guns than murderers committed by them. You take the day off and still nothing? ROFLMAO!!!
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #749 on: February 21, 2018, 05:14:27 PM »
All this from someone who has yet showed any facts how more lives have been saved by guns than murderers committed by them. You take the day off and still nothing? ROFLMAO!!!
Red herring alert!!
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #750 on: February 21, 2018, 05:18:01 PM »
All this from someone who has yet showed any facts how more lives have been saved by guns than murderers committed by them. You take the day off and still nothing? ROFLMAO!!!
If you would stop posting deflections, etc. I would be able to get it.

As it is, it's hard enough to keep up with the flow of distortions, half truths, falsehoods, irrelevancies, and inanities.

(Just as aside, my claim was innocent lives, so your reframing here as murders [which includes felon on felon] was a nice try, but no cigar.)

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #751 on: February 21, 2018, 05:18:40 PM »
Red herring alert!!
He made an idiotic statement and refuses to back it up because he can't.
Go back to reading about home defense weapons. You sure you didn't mean a BAR instead of AR? LOL!!!
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #752 on: February 21, 2018, 05:21:28 PM »
He made an idiotic statement and refuses to back it up because he can't.
Your response to him doesn't even address his post, so yes it's a red herring.

ETA: It's also not an idiotic statement, while it can technically be wrong (which I very highly doubt is the case) it's still not idiotic, again you're going with ad hominem attacks.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #753 on: February 21, 2018, 05:22:48 PM »
If you would stop posting deflections, etc. I would be able to get it.

As it is, it's hard enough to keep up with the flow of distortions, half truths, falsehoods, irrelevancies, and inanities.

(Just as aside, my claim was innocent lives, so your reframing here as murders [which includes felon on felon] was a nice try, but no cigar.)
You made an idiotic claim and can't back it up. Use innocent lives for your stats. Now back it up!!!
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #755 on: February 21, 2018, 05:25:52 PM »
ETA: It's also not an idiotic statement, while it can technically be wrong (which I very highly doubt is the case) it's still not idiotic, again you're going with ad hominem attacks.
You should stick with what you know. Guns is not one of them. How are you possible going to have a discussion on something you don't understand.

Her is a simple question that even you can answer about guns. How many hands do you use to shoot an AR?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #756 on: February 21, 2018, 05:33:00 PM »
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If the NRA says it then it is true.

I love this one: 11. You must have a safe at your residence in which to keep the firearm.
How many stolen guns are used by criminals each year?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #757 on: February 21, 2018, 05:33:25 PM »
You should stick with what you know. Guns is not one of them. How are you possible going to have a discussion on something you don't understand.
Appeal to ignorance fallacy.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #758 on: February 21, 2018, 05:35:55 PM »
All he had to do was tell the kids. I am sure they could have done their bus tour another day when he was there.
Instead of posting nonsense try reading up a little on different assault rifles so you can ask educated questions instead of just repeating talking points.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27426/msnbc-hosts-target-florida-governor-not-meeting-hank-berrien
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #759 on: February 21, 2018, 05:36:34 PM »
Appeal to ignorance fallacy.
Can you answer a simple question?
Her is a simple question that even you can answer about guns. How many hands do you use to shoot an AR?
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