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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
11) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct  (R)

Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 200195 times)

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #940 on: February 22, 2018, 09:56:33 PM »
Do you not understand basic English?
Will you ever stop the personal attacks?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #941 on: February 22, 2018, 10:05:53 PM »
Will you ever stop the personal attacks?
It was an honest question. When ever you get caught you deflect. You make one after another untrue statements and I am going to call you out on them.

What point are you trying to make. You already admitted and proven to be clueless so what’s your point?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #942 on: February 22, 2018, 10:23:59 PM »


It was an honest question.

When have you ever asked an honest question? Or answered a question that doesn't dot your narrative honestly? I'm done with being harassed by the self proclaimed gun expert whose only defense is "you're clueless and I'm an expert"
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #943 on: February 22, 2018, 10:30:49 PM »
When have you ever asked an honest question? Or answered a question that doesn't dot your narrative honestly? I'm done with being harassed by the self proclaimed gun expert whose only defense is "you're clueless and I'm an expert"
Again you make up stuff. You keep calling me an expert. Where did I say I was an expert?

You said you were clueless. I knew it as everyone else did before you finally admitted it. If you think you are going to keep making false clueless statements and I am not going to challenge it you are nuts.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #944 on: February 22, 2018, 10:31:54 PM »
Well clearly the security guard failed us. What would be your suggestion on how to stop the bad gun?
Make them a lot more expensive for everyone. Massive taxes on guns and ammo. It's 2a proof, and it would work

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #945 on: February 22, 2018, 10:35:35 PM »
Make them a lot more expensive for everyone. Massive taxes on guns and ammo. It's 2a proof, and it would work
What happens when you have a determined maniac who gets a gun, and doesn't care how expensive it is because he knows he's not going to see another day of freedom? Who's going to stop him?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #946 on: February 22, 2018, 10:37:22 PM »
What happens when you have a determined maniac who gets a gun, and doesn't care how expensive it is because he knows he's not going to see another day of freedom? Who's going to stop him?
Hard to see a 18 year old maniac come up with the $25,000 license fee for am ar15

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #947 on: February 22, 2018, 10:43:37 PM »
Hard to see a 18 year old maniac come up with the $25,000 license fee for am ar15
A $25000 fee to own a gun? That would never make it thru under 2A.

What about a 30 year old maniac?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #948 on: February 22, 2018, 10:48:26 PM »
A $25000 fee to own a gun? That would never make it thru under 2A.

What about a 30 year old maniac?
By making it hard, you eliminate most of the really crazy ones. No policy will ever stop all shootings. But getting the number of guns out in society down will help a lot.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #949 on: February 22, 2018, 11:01:48 PM »
By making it hard, you eliminate most of the really crazy ones. No policy will ever stop all shootings. But getting the number of guns out in society down will help a lot.
Not at a rate any greater than law abiding citizens. And this is besides for the fact that a $25k license fee would never make it under 2A
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #950 on: February 22, 2018, 11:20:49 PM »
Open mouth insert foot!!!  :)

What's 1 officer at the front desk of a huge school building going to do to stop someone from walking into the back of the building and shooting up a few classrooms before the officer even knows anything happened, VS the odds that the teacher in the first classroom he goes into or at least 1 or 2 in the surrounding few classrooms have guns to stop him. In a mass shooting incident, every second counts.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #951 on: February 22, 2018, 11:35:05 PM »
Not at a rate any greater than law abiding citizens. And this is besides for the fact that a $25k license fee would never make it under 2A
There was an outright assault weapon ban (now expired) that somehow survived the 2a challenges. (And it isn't a coincidence that the frequency of mass murder has really picked up since then.)
 A sliding scale tax/fee on manufacturing and eventually possession of firearms, with the really high taxes on the military type weapons would go a long way to reducing the number of guns in society, and save many lives.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #952 on: February 22, 2018, 11:38:06 PM »
There was an outright assault weapon ban (now expired) that somehow survived the 2a challenges. (And it isn't a coincidence that the frequency of mass murder has really picked up since then.)
The right always says show me one law that would have stop this. Well here is one. He would not have been able to buy this AR.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #953 on: February 22, 2018, 11:39:08 PM »
Make them a lot more expensive for everyone. Massive taxes on guns and ammo. It's 2a proof, and it would work
1. How will a tax get rid of all existing guns?

2. How will this stop people making their own?

3. You can't tax ink for 1A, you can't tax guns and ammo for 2A. (For the pedantically inclined, this is a common term, understood as a tax designed to inhibit the right.)

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #954 on: February 22, 2018, 11:42:31 PM »
The right always says show me one law that would have stop this. Well here is one. He would not have been able to buy this AR.
I see, so the Left doesn't care if the same amount of kids are killed using handguns, as long as it isn't by a scary looking gun?

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #955 on: February 22, 2018, 11:42:40 PM »
1. How will a tax get rid of all existing guns?

2. How will this stop people making their own?

3. You can't tax ink for 1A, you can't tax guns and ammo for 2A. (For the pedantically inclined, this is a common term, understood as a tax designed to inhibit the right.)
1. Eventually, a tax/registration/fee on existing guns. Including self made.
2. Cultures change over time. Courts change over time. Constitutional interpretation changes over time.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #956 on: February 22, 2018, 11:46:25 PM »
I see, so the Left doesn't care if the same amount of kids are killed using handguns, as long as it isn't by a scary looking gun?
I am just showing how a law we had would have stopped him from buying an AR.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #957 on: February 22, 2018, 11:46:33 PM »
1. Eventually, a tax/registration/fee on existing guns. Including self made.
2. Cultures change over time. Courts change over time. Constitutional interpretation changes over time.

1. All these fees will only affect law abiding citizens
2. Courts and constitutional interpretation should not be changing over time.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #958 on: February 22, 2018, 11:48:19 PM »
1. Eventually, a tax/registration/fee on existing guns. Including self made.
2. Cultures change over time. Courts change over time. Constitutional interpretation changes over time.
1. There is no Federal registration of arms; are you aware? How will you tax the hundreds of millions of existing arms?

2. People who will make their own, to avoid your 25K tax, won't self report.

3. Yeah, I guess you should post as much as possible here, 'cause when culture (instead of Amendment) will remove 2A, true 1A will be long gone.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #959 on: February 22, 2018, 11:49:33 PM »

1. It all these fees will only affect law abiding citizens
2. Courts and constitutional interpretation should not be changing over time.
1.As the number of guns drops off gradually, it helps everyone.
2. Um.. did men have the right to marry each other ten minutes ago?