Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)

[ssvarc]

...but that doesn't make sense. We have the most guns so shouldn't we be the safest?

No, the ownership of a gun isn't the only factor to determine safety, it also depends (among many other factors) on the threats being faced.

What gun ownership offers (among other things) is a tool for self defense.

[ssvarc]

I was just correcting your factually wrong statement. Not a big deal but it is taking up a lot of my time just between the two of you. 

Have you ever read Heller? Do you dispute my claim as to the common meaning of arms?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

No, the ownership of a gun isn't the only factor to determine safety, it also depends (among many other factors) on the threats being faced.

What gun ownership offers (among other things) is a tool for self defense.

Interesting. Can someone properly defend themselves with a handgun or shotgun?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Have you ever read Heller? Do you dispute my claim as to the common meaning of arms?

I understand why you want to bring in Heller only after I showed your statement to be factually wrong. 

[ssvarc]

Interesting. Can someone properly defend themselves with a handgun or shotgun?

What are they defending themselves from? What firearm options are available to them? Where are they located? What is their physical condition? What is the level of their training?

These are just some of the questions we would need to discuss in order to give a meaningful answer.

But wait!

You have questions pending as well, which you've never answered.

If SA handguns were substituted for an AR in a typical attack, what difference would it make in dead or wounded?

If you believe, as you've stated, that it's easier to disarm someone wielding an AR as opposed to a handgun, why would you want to push attackers into using handguns, thus making it harder for them to be disarmed by their victims?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

If SA handguns were substituted for an AR in a typical attack, what difference would it make in dead or wounded?

I did answer it but you and your buddy didn't like my answer because it showed way less would be dead. Now you want to add wounded?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

What are they defending themselves from? What firearm options are available to them? Where are they located? What is their physical condition? What is the level of their training?

These are just some of the questions we would need to discuss in order to give a meaningful answer.

I am in a good mood so your choice. 

[ssvarc]

I understand why you want to bring in Heller only after I showed your statement to be factually wrong. 

I brought Heller when you challenged my factually correct statement, to demonstrate it's correctness.

I'll take your silence to the question that you acknowledge that a federal registry doesn't exist for the roughly 300 million arms in the country.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I brought Heller when you challenged my factually correct statement, to demonstrate it's correctness.

All you showed was you had to backtrack after I showed your statement to be factually wrong. No one mentioned Heller until you brought it in out of the blue. Lets just agree to disagree and everyone can decide for themselves.

[aygart]

2 second Google..

Is that the entire civilized world?

[mordechain]

Who's missing?

[ssvarc]

I did answer it but you and your buddy didn't like my answer because it showed way less would be dead.

As the question wasn't about substituting .22 SA handguns for AR's, but SA handguns in general, no, you've never answered the question.

These "debating tactics" will only further rob you of credibility. My advice is to answer questions honestly, and explain your POV.

Now you want to add wounded?

You've avoided the question for so long, you've forgotten what was asked. Here, let me help you:

The AR is not the issue, it's the dead and injured that's the issue. If he didn't have an AR and instead had a semi-automatic handgun, how many people who were killed, would still be alive?

[yitzgar]

Who's missing?

There are only 14 countries listed. It's missing at least dozens of other countries

[mordechain]

Whoops, they left off Liechtenstein..

[aygart]

https://twitter.com/EsotericCD/status/966859757180063750

[ssvarc]

All you showed was you had to backtrack after I showed your statement to be factually wrong. No one mentioned Heller until you brought it in out of the blue. Lets just agree to disagree and everyone can decide for themselves.

The statement remains unchanged, I've never backtracked from it.

It seems that you forgot about Heller, tried to make a pedantic gotcha, and are now beating a tactical retreat.

These are not the signs of a serious discussion. Sad.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

As the question wasn't about substituting .22 SA handguns for AR's, but SA handguns in general, no, you've never answered the question.

These "debating tactics" will only further rob you of credibility. My advice is to answer questions honestly, and explain your POV.

You've avoided the question for so long, you've forgotten what was asked. Here, let me help you:

I guess you have problems with the English language also. He asked "instead had a semi-automatic handgun". "a" does not mean "SA handguns in general". I picked "a" SA handgun that had the same diameter.

[ssvarc]

I am in a good mood so your choice. 

At one o'clock? My choice is bed. Stay well.

[aygart]

...but we need to arm more people. A good gun will stop a bad gun. 
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/douglas-school-cop-who-%e2%80%98never-went-in%e2%80%99-during-shooting-has-resigned/ar-BBJtrNW?li=BBnb7Kz

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The security guard model is what has worked in Israel much more than any gun law. The terrorists don't care about gn laws.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

The statement remains unchanged, I've never backtracked from it.

It seems that you forgot about Heller, tried to make a pedantic gotcha, and are now beating a tactical retreat.

These are not the signs of a serious discussion. Sad.

Everyone can decide for themselves in your statement was factually correct.