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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
11) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct  (R)

Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 25100 times)

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1035 on: February 23, 2018, 03:24:15 PM »
Sure, as long as the NRA is for adopting the rest of Israel's gun laws.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1036 on: February 23, 2018, 03:28:33 PM »
Sure, as long as the NRA is for adopting the rest of Israel's gun laws.
What do the other laws have to do with this? It's not like there have never been shooting attacks in Israel, this shows that having armed teachers can stop a shooting attack.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1037 on: February 23, 2018, 03:30:26 PM »
What do the other laws have to do with this? It's not like there have never been shooting attacks in Israel, this shows that having armed teachers can stop a shooting attack.

I think we should let Rabbi Moskowitz answer this?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1038 on: February 23, 2018, 03:43:08 PM »
What do the other laws have to do with this? It's not like there have never been shooting attacks in Israel, this shows that having armed teachers can stop a shooting attack.
Those people that are armed in schools there go through a much higher standard of training than would ever happen in the US. That has to do with army service and their gun laws.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1039 on: February 23, 2018, 03:45:34 PM »
I think we should let Rabbi Moskowitz answer this?
Sure here you go.
What do the other laws have to do with this? It's not like there have never been shooting attacks in Israel, this shows that having armed teachers can stop a shooting attack.
You simply do not have the tools to understand everything just yet.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1040 on: February 23, 2018, 03:48:40 PM »
The is a reason the NRA doesn't bring up Israel's gun policy. Because overall it works and they don't want that here.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1041 on: February 23, 2018, 03:50:40 PM »
Sure here you go.You simply do not have the tools to understand everything just yet.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1042 on: February 23, 2018, 03:55:02 PM »

Don't confuse arguments with trying to educate. I might have to bring back the "young grasshopper" line.  :)
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1043 on: February 23, 2018, 03:58:17 PM »
...this shows that having armed teachers can stop a shooting attack.
Don't let facts get in the way of a good story line.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/school-shooting-in-central-israel-two-masked-gunmen-wound-teen-1.5803294
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1044 on: February 23, 2018, 03:59:14 PM »
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1045 on: February 23, 2018, 04:03:24 PM »
Can anyone that lives in Israel or familiar with their schools tell me if this is accurate? It paints a different picture why their schools are so safe.
https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/why-school-shootings-are-so-rare-in-israel-where-guns-are-such-a-common-sight-1.513206
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1046 on: February 23, 2018, 04:10:43 PM »
Did anyone fact check this?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1047 on: February 23, 2018, 04:13:02 PM »
Can anyone that lives in Israel or familiar with their schools tell me if this is accurate? It paints a different picture why their schools are so safe.
https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/why-school-shootings-are-so-rare-in-israel-where-guns-are-such-a-common-sight-1.513206
I think that is very in line with what people here have been saying. There are two contributing factors. One is the extra security around schools to prevent terror attacks and the other is their gun laws. There may also be a cultural difference wth a greater feeling of camaraderie in a country in a constant state of war. It does seem that the security has mostly been enough since it has also prevented terror attacks and they don't follow laws. It has also prevented knife attacks.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1048 on: February 23, 2018, 04:15:19 PM »
Did anyone fact check this?
Isn't this article an Israeli fact checking claims made by US media?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1049 on: February 23, 2018, 04:17:33 PM »
Isn't this article an Israeli fact checking claims made by US media?
Not sure what it is but I am calling BS with the first Google search and I suck at searching.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre
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