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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
11) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct  (R)

Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 200347 times)

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1280 on: April 23, 2018, 09:35:42 AM »
There goes the idiotic good/bad gun BS right down the drain.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-waffle-house-shooting-20180422-story.html
Sure, because in your fantasy bubble it's better to wrestle with gunmen over their weapons, instead of being armed yourself.

For the rest of us, this type of story just reinforces the value of a responsible armed citizen being at the scene of the crime as it's being committed.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1281 on: April 23, 2018, 10:10:46 AM »
Sure, because in your fantasy bubble it's better to wrestle with gunmen over their weapons, instead of being armed yourself.

For the rest of us, this type of story just reinforces the value of a responsible armed citizen being at the scene of the crime as it's being committed.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1282 on: April 23, 2018, 10:14:23 AM »
That is pretty twisted reasoning. Meanwhile there have been a whole bunch of shootings where the current laws should have prevented them but law enforcement dropped the ball. This has been the case with most shootings with LAS being a notable exception.
So now the narrative is that law enforcement is the problem? 
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1284 on: April 23, 2018, 10:23:41 AM »
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You need reading comprehension 101. Someone that posts idiotic stats, claims will back them up then doesn't is a troll and a liar!!!
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1285 on: April 23, 2018, 10:30:03 AM »
You need reading comprehension 101. Someone that posts idiotic stats, claims will back them up then doesn't is a troll and a liar!!!
His claims were just backed up by the CDC.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1286 on: April 23, 2018, 10:34:56 AM »
You have been shown to be a troll and a liar. Please just leave!!!
"Kol haposel bemumo posel" (He who finds fault in others identifies the blemish in himself, Talmud Ḳiddushin 70b).
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1287 on: April 23, 2018, 03:18:30 PM »
You have been shown to be a troll and a liar. Please just leave!!!
I'm the troll? Truly, kol haposel.

You make assertions, present no proof, so I do the same. You demand proof of my claim, which I say will be given when you do so with your claims.

You then present a link to statistics, that on the header itself refutes your claim.

And I'm the troll?

You're just an inexperienced debater, who knows nothing besides bullying when you have the failing argument.

As I've told you many times in the past, I don't accept double standards.

You present no proof, expect none from me.

Stop wasting your time trying to bully people (and failing miserably I might add), and step up with actual facts.


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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1288 on: April 23, 2018, 03:19:53 PM »
So now the narrative is that law enforcement is the problem? 
How so? It was inadequate in many of these cases.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1289 on: April 23, 2018, 04:05:00 PM »
I'm the troll?
We can stop right there.  :P

You made an idiotic claim at the beginning of this thread and refused to back it up. You said on several occasions you would and still haven't. Where I come from that makes you a trolling liar.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1290 on: April 23, 2018, 04:06:21 PM »
How so?
Meanwhile there have been a whole bunch of shootings where the current laws should have prevented them but law enforcement dropped the ball. This has been the case with most shootings with LAS being a notable exception.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1291 on: April 23, 2018, 04:08:01 PM »

How is that saying that it is the problem? All I see is that it is not a reliable solution.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1292 on: April 23, 2018, 04:11:31 PM »
How is that saying that it is the problem? All I see is that it is not a reliable solution.
I take "law enforcement dropped the ball" as blaming them.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1293 on: April 23, 2018, 04:36:33 PM »
I take "law enforcement dropped the ball" as blaming them.
If that is how you take it then so be it. There is no question that Broward County Sheriff Dept dropped the ball on Cruz and he should not have had a gun under the laws already on the books. Take that how you wish.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1294 on: April 23, 2018, 04:39:04 PM »
If that is how you take it then so be it. There is no question that Broward County Sheriff Dept dropped the ball on Cruz and he should not have had a gun under the laws already on the books. Take that how you wish.
What law restricted him from having a gun?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1295 on: April 23, 2018, 04:57:12 PM »
What law restricted him from having a gun?
It was discussed and linked to upthread. I will leave it to someone else to search for it if you deny it.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1296 on: April 23, 2018, 05:02:32 PM »
It was discussed and linked to upthread. I will leave it to someone else to search for it if you deny it.
I am just asking. Trust but verify.
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