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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
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Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 204590 times)

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1440 on: August 06, 2018, 03:52:06 PM »
None, good people obey the law and don't carry guns.
You are so clueless it is ridicules. Do you not know IL/Chicago has CCL?  ::)
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1441 on: August 06, 2018, 04:26:25 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/08/01/feature/school-shootings-should-parents-be-charged-for-failing-to-lock-up-guns-used-by-their-kids/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7b6a4a76e4b0
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A week had passed, and with “#MarshallStrong” signs spreading across Facebook pages and storefronts, Blankenship was meeting with investigators, saying he might prosecute Parker’s stepfather.

The state police were reluctant, he later recalled. One officer mentioned that he was a firearms-safety instructor. “I don’t even teach parents to lock their guns up,” Blankenship remembered the man saying.
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And without that evidence?

“You’d never get a conviction on that. Never,” he said. “Almost everybody sitting on that jury would be able to say, ‘I have a gun at home. What if my kid takes it? What if my grandkid takes it? Should I go to jail for that?’
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More than a decade ago, French said, he worked a case in which a 9-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed his 6-year-old sibling with a loaded shotgun he’d found in his parents’ closet. French had the couple indicted, a decision some people he knew didn’t like.

“We all have loaded guns,” one person told him.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1442 on: August 07, 2018, 07:28:23 PM »
44 people shoot in 14 hours in Chicago. Where are the resident idiots that think we need more guns?  >:(
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1443 on: August 07, 2018, 07:38:44 PM »
Are you turning in your guns?
Why would I turn in my guns? You have a better chance to win the lottery than one of my guns ending up in the hands of a criminal.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1444 on: August 07, 2018, 08:16:06 PM »
Why would I turn in my guns? You have a better chance to win the lottery than one of my guns ending up in the hands of a criminal.
You are going to compare it to lottery odds? At least now you and avromie have something in common with insane comparisons.

Good news is I just heard a story about law enforcement taking school shooting tips more seriously. Maybe @Emkay can share some insight.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1445 on: August 07, 2018, 08:39:32 PM »
You are going to compare it to lottery odds? At least now you and avromie have something in common with insane comparisons.
I guess the point flew right over your head but then again aren't you the guy who needs a bigger magazine?  :)
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1446 on: August 07, 2018, 09:29:27 PM »
I guess the point flew right over your head but then again aren't you the guy who needs a bigger magazine?  :)
Either I missed something or my eyes glazed over when you said there is a 1 in 175,223,510 of a criminal breaking into your safe.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1447 on: August 07, 2018, 09:40:27 PM »
Either I missed something or my eyes glazed over when you said there is a 1 in 175,223,510 of a criminal breaking into your safe.
"Lottery" is general term to make a point. Out of the thousand of lottery's out there how did you narrow it down to that one?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1448 on: August 08, 2018, 05:57:55 AM »
I'm pretty sure a lot of people who @ChaimMoskowitz  considers clueless and advocating dangerous policy would support criminal liability for legal gun owners who are careless with their guns.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1449 on: August 08, 2018, 07:36:55 AM »
I'm pretty sure a lot of people who @ChaimMoskowitz  considers clueless and advocating dangerous policy would support criminal liability for legal gun owners who are careless with their guns.
What would you consider careless?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1450 on: August 10, 2018, 02:03:42 AM »
What would you consider careless?
I do not own a gun and have very limited knowledge of gun safety.  I'm open to discussion. In a most basic sense, failing to employ reasonable measures to prevent unauthorized access to ones firearms.  Good legislation would delineate clear guidelines. 

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1452 on: August 27, 2018, 12:03:06 PM »
how come florida has more shootings recently than any other state?
this thread has also turned into CM point of view against everyone else.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1453 on: August 27, 2018, 12:05:14 PM »
how come florida has more shootings recently than any other state?
this thread has also turned into CM point of view against everyone else.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1454 on: August 27, 2018, 12:06:22 PM »
Because you just made up random facts based on nothing but 2 news stories you heard?

isnt that what everyone else on this thread is doing?  ???
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1455 on: August 27, 2018, 01:56:22 PM »
Another shooting brings out the idiots!  >:(
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nra-spokeswoman-calls-for-end-to-gun-free-zones-after-jacksonville-shooting/ar-BBMuR1g?ocid=spartandhp

very odd that this occurred in FL when the shooter was from baltimore. How did he get a gun with a red-laser dot to aim/shoot spur-of-the moment? (and into a gun-free zone)
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1456 on: August 27, 2018, 02:26:56 PM »
how come florida has more shootings recently than any other state?
Good thing Chicago isn't a state.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1458 on: August 29, 2018, 08:36:30 PM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/were-killing-ourselves-new-study-shows-us-leads-world-in-gun-related-suicides/ar-BBMAcnX?ocid=ASUSSIGDHP17
I guess the problem is not enough guns.  ::)

“You look at the numbers and you might start to compare us to other countries in the region, whereas probably we should be comparing ourselves to Australia or New Zealand or other high-income countries in western Europe where both the firearm suicide and homicide numbers are much lower,’’ Murray said. “That tells me that, fundamentally, these are preventable deaths.’’

Is the overall suicide rate higher?

If you compare to Australia or New Zealand, yes. But there are plenty of western European countries with higher over suicide rates than the US. The suicide by hanging is just as dead as the suicide by firearm.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-country/
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1459 on: October 02, 2018, 09:09:03 PM »
Maybe this will help the ignorant ones who keep repeating "but Chicago has the strictest gun laws".
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/atf-guns-stolen-from-tennessee-found-outside-chicago/ar-BBNQFtn?ocid=spartanntp
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