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1) The Holocaust happened because Jews were unable to obtain guns due to Poland's notoriously strict gun laws.
2) The left wants an absolute gun ban - no guns at all, any type, for anyone, ever.
3) The right wants mass shootings, especially school shootings.
4) Everyone agrees we need to require better background checks and use more discretion in handing out gun licenses.
4.a The right cannot pass such legislation because it is a slippery slope to banning all guns, everywhere, for everyone.
4.b The left cannot pass such legislation because it is not enough.
5)  Every school in the US should have metal detectors at the entrance, be surrounded by a 30' cement wall and have armed guards in every classroom and hallway. The more guns around kids the better.
6) 7 year olds going through half an hour of security theater every day just to go to school is a perfectly normal and acceptable solution.
7) The second amendment entitles every US citizen to an AR-15.
8 ) Laws don't prevent crimes.
9) Guns don't kill people
10) Stats prove my side of the argument 100% correct. (D)
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Author Topic: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)  (Read 111181 times)

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1580 on: August 06, 2019, 07:54:38 PM »
Your ignorance and stupidity shows with that statement. Please do us all a favor and stay out things you know nothing about.
Ha! So can I see your credentials to speak on gun control?
I havenít offered my solutions yet, and I think it prob needs a combination of a lot of ideas
But a complete ban on guns doesnít work

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1581 on: August 06, 2019, 08:03:25 PM »
Ha! So can I see your credentials to speak on gun control?
I havenít offered my solutions yet, and I think it prob needs a combination of a lot of ideas
But a complete ban on guns doesnít work
You don't understand the simple fact that most guns used in Chicago violence are either stolen or purchased in another state. While my statement was harsh it was also accurate.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1582 on: August 06, 2019, 08:32:04 PM »
Banning guns, whether some, or all, will definitely help. Will it stop all killings, of course not. However if it will save even some lives, you can't just say it won't work and therefore do nothing. (Obviously guns are sometimes needed for self defense, so a complete ban probably isn't the best idea). Banning high capacity guns and/or ammunition seems logical. The only argument I have heard (and possibly very legitimate), is that we cannot allow the government to ban these because people need to be able to protect themselves from a potential tyrannical government. This argument would be willing to sacrifice potential occasional mass shootings so as to protect this right. This argument needs to be discussed frankly, and decided risk vs benefits.
Banning guns however, is just a band aid. We still need to address the underlying cause of these shootings. In my opinion culture of violence encouraged by Hollywood and videogames is a major cause. Perhaps mental Illness. I'm sure if americans sat down and discussed it seriously, we could come up with more potential causes and try to deal with them. Unfortunately, with all the politics and hyperbole, it doesn't seem like this will happen soon.
One last idea is that many of these people seem to want publicity and fame. Perhaps not showing the picture or name of the perpetrator will help to be a deterrent.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1583 on: August 06, 2019, 08:37:21 PM »
We really need to be careful with this mental illness issue. Do we want to say that either of these shooters were mentally ill?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1584 on: August 06, 2019, 08:57:13 PM »
We really need to be careful with this mental illness issue. Do we want to say that either of these shooters were mentally ill?
I don't know. I was not talking about these two specifically. Anyway these are suggestions. Do you have other ideas as to what could cause someone to carry out a mass shooting?

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1585 on: August 06, 2019, 09:00:18 PM »
I don't know. I was not talking about these two specifically. Anyway these are suggestions. Do you have other ideas as to what could cause someone to carry out a mass shooting?
Being bullied or an outcast. I just don't buy the mental illness line and neither does the medical community.
Not guilty - insanity defense (mental illness).  >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1586 on: August 06, 2019, 09:25:34 PM »
In my opinion culture of violence encouraged by Hollywood and videogames is a major cause.
Maybe. but I do not agree at all

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1587 on: August 06, 2019, 09:32:46 PM »
Maybe. but I do not agree at all
Ok. What do you think could be a cause? Do you not think that there is a culture that glamorizes violence and shooting? Or you think that nobody would act based on what they see and play with constantly?

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1588 on: August 06, 2019, 09:37:31 PM »
Ok. What do you think could be a cause? Do you not think that there is a culture that glamorizes violence and shooting? Or you think that nobody would act based on what they see and play with constantly?
Forget about glamorize. The ability for people to even imagine such an occurrence is abnormal and mainly a result of such a culture that normalizes murder.

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1589 on: August 06, 2019, 09:45:34 PM »
I'm sure if americans sat down and discussed it seriously, we could come up with more potential causes and try to deal with them. Unfortunately, with all the politics and hyperbole, it doesn't seem like this will happen soon.
There is only one person who is currently capable of creating a real discussion and compromise and he actually did mention working on that. The only question is if it will be sabotaged by his opponents.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1590 on: August 06, 2019, 09:47:47 PM »
There is only one person who is currently capable of creating a real discussion and compromise and he actually did mention working on that. The only question is if it will be sabotaged by his opponents.
Who would that be?
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1591 on: August 06, 2019, 09:48:18 PM »
Who would that be?
Your favorite president!
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1592 on: August 06, 2019, 09:49:02 PM »
Ok. What do you think could be a cause? Do you not think that there is a culture that glamorizes violence and shooting? Or you think that nobody would act based on what they see and play with constantly?
Japan has the exact same video games but not the same problem.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1593 on: August 06, 2019, 09:50:57 PM »
Your favorite president!
I was holding out hope last time until he had dinner with the NRA. He has to be convinced that real gun legislation will benefit his reelection chances.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1594 on: August 06, 2019, 10:04:17 PM »
Japan has the exact same video games but not the same problem.
This is not a proof that this is not a cause

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1595 on: August 06, 2019, 10:04:22 PM »
I was holding out hope last time until he had dinner with the NRA. He has to be convinced that real gun legislation will benefit his reelection chances.
No compromise will be able to be worked out by someone who wouldn't speak with the NRA. He is the only one who has the capability to get the right to agree to anything, but only if the left will be willing to accept a compromise.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1596 on: August 06, 2019, 10:20:20 PM »
This is not a proof that this is not a cause
No but a good indicator.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1597 on: August 06, 2019, 10:21:48 PM »
No compromise will be able to be worked out by someone who wouldn't speak with the NRA. He is the only one who has the capability to get the right to agree to anything, but only if the left will be willing to accept a compromise.
All they need to do is vote on the two bills they already have. The right is afraid to have a vote.
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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1598 on: August 07, 2019, 02:15:54 AM »
Ok. What do you think could be a cause? Do you not think that there is a culture that glamorizes violence and shooting? Or you think that nobody would act based on what they see and play with constantly?
I don't know what causes it. I don't know if there is anything that causes it.

I don't think there is a culture that glamorizes violence and shooting. What do you have in mind when you say that?

Neither do I think people act on what they see and play with constantly.

First of all why does 1% of the person's time when they are exposed to these games/movies outweigh the 99% when they are exposed to just the opposite? (This is assuming that the other 99% of time people value life and don't glamorize violence like I said before ).

Second of all, practically all games and movies do not glamorize the bad guys actions. To the contrary it's always the good guys that win. There definitely aren't any games/movies that are about illogically murdering people out of anger.

Third, assuming it is, would you ban video games and movies?


Unrelated. why are most mass shooters men?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476445/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-gender/

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Re: Parkland, FL 2/14/18 School Shooting, 17 Killed (Another mass shooting!)
« Reply #1599 on: August 07, 2019, 07:11:14 AM »
Unrelated. why are most mass shooters men?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476445/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-gender/

God created men and women with many many many differences between them. I would say this is related to one or more of those differences.