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Are You An Organ Donor?

Yes.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #100 on: February 16, 2018, 11:46:21 AM »
I do not think that Judaism would allow non-jews to be organ donors either but am not certain about that. If it is considered to be killing the donor when harvesting the organ I don't see how whether the donor is Jewish or not makes a difference.
But again that would make accepting an organ from a non-Jew no different then from a jew, correct?
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #101 on: February 16, 2018, 11:49:39 AM »
I do not think that Judaism would allow non-jews to be organ donors either but am not certain about that. If it is considered to be killing the donor when harvesting the organ I don't see how whether the donor is Jewish or not makes a difference.
Now that makes sense. What others have said is not what you are saying.

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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #102 on: February 16, 2018, 11:49:56 AM »
But again that would make accepting an organ from a non-Jew no different then from a jew, correct?
if the organ is there reaady to be transplanted  it can obviously be used but the killing of the patient who gave it was still agains halacha
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #103 on: February 16, 2018, 11:50:38 AM »
Now that makes sense. What others have said is not what you are saying.

I can't answer ten different people that look at it ten different ways.
Don't answer to me, or most of the others here, for in halachic disputes I bow to AY
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #104 on: February 16, 2018, 11:50:42 AM »
But again that would make accepting an organ from a non-Jew no different then from a jew, correct?
Correct.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #105 on: February 16, 2018, 11:51:09 AM »
if the organ is there reaady to be transplanted  it can obviously be used but the killing of the patient who gave it was still agains halacha
Is that true? As a body part halachicly must be buried
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #106 on: February 16, 2018, 11:51:18 AM »
Now that makes sense. What others have said is not what you are saying.

I can't answer ten different people that look at it ten different ways.
Thank you. Exactly.

The way these threads end up going is that people start twisting themselves into pretzels to explain something they really don't understand themselves and end up saying things which are both wrong and look bad. I will not participate.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #107 on: February 16, 2018, 11:51:41 AM »
Correct.
But don't body parts have to be buried?
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #108 on: February 16, 2018, 11:52:20 AM »
Now that makes sense. What others have said is not what you are saying.

I can't answer ten different people that look at it ten different ways.

The rule is
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #109 on: February 16, 2018, 11:53:49 AM »
But don't body parts have to be buried?
This is where pikuach nefesh etc come into play. We have already gone way further than what belongs on this forum.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #110 on: February 16, 2018, 11:55:00 AM »
This is where pikuach nefesh etc come into play. We have already gone way further than what belongs on this forum.
Great, but I assume despite that point, you still may accept an organ of a dead jew.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #111 on: February 16, 2018, 11:55:47 AM »
This is where pikuach nefesh etc come into play. We have already gone way further than what belongs on this forum.
But now that pesky what if it's a goy recipient, is it still pekuach nefesh. Or is it more important to bury the jewish remains than save the gentile's life.

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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #112 on: February 16, 2018, 11:57:13 AM »
Don't answer to me, or most of the others here, for in halachic disputes I bow to AY
Have you notice I only ask questions to him on halachic disputes and never argue?  ;)
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #113 on: February 16, 2018, 11:57:54 AM »
But now that pesky what if it's a goy recipient, is it still pekuach nefesh. Or is it more important to bury the jewish remains than save the gentile's life.
I don't know. My guess is that as a practical matter it would make no difference mishum eiva but may not need to come to that.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #114 on: February 16, 2018, 12:01:05 PM »
Have you notice I only ask questions to him on halachic disputes and never argue?  ;)
I believe @ExGingi deserves some respect in that sense as well, I'm sure many others as well who haven't gotten involved in the likes in my time around
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #115 on: February 16, 2018, 12:01:37 PM »
I can't answer ten different people that look at it ten different ways.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #116 on: February 16, 2018, 12:03:03 PM »
Because they "harvest" the organ when the patient is alive according to halacha. Brain death is not death. So if one donates organs it requires someone pulling a plug, which is the same pikuach nefesh for the one that the organs are coming from.
This.

I wonder why it took so long for someone to actually post the correct answer.

How in the world did this thread become so long when CLEAR CONCISE AND ACCURATE ANSWERS were given by @hvaces42 to the main question and by @aygart to many of the ancillary questions?
« Last Edit: February 16, 2018, 12:09:27 PM by ExGingi »
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #117 on: February 16, 2018, 12:11:38 PM »
I believe @ExGingi deserves some respect in that sense as well, I'm sure many others as well who haven't gotten involved in the likes in my time around
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I have don't come close to the vast knowledge and more so practical halachic experience of @aygart, IINM he actually has some authority to render rulings.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #118 on: February 16, 2018, 12:11:47 PM »
This.

I wonder why it took so long for someone to actually post the correct answer.

How in the world did this thread become so long when CLEAR CONCISE AND ACCURATE ANSWERS were given by @hvaces42 to the main question and by @aygart to many of the ancillary questions?
The way these threads end up going is that people start twisting themselves into pretzels to explain something they really don't understand themselves and end up saying things which are both wrong and look bad. I will not participate.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #119 on: February 16, 2018, 12:12:30 PM »
Welcme to Judaism :)
This is a poor example.
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