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Are You An Organ Donor?

Yes.
1 (3.3%)
No.
29 (96.7%)
Undecided.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #140 on: February 16, 2018, 03:01:15 PM »
Because it is the harvesting process which is the issue. Once you are past that process it may as well be used.
I dont think they understand that in order to get a live organ someone has to die as a result of removal of the organ. @ChaimMoskowitz deems death to occur when there is no brain activity. We, as Orthodox Jews do not hold that belief. Therefore, someone on life support, even with no brain activity is deemed living and removal of their organs is tantamount to killing that person.

It is that simple.

So the real difference in opinion between CM and us relates to the pulling the plug and when does death occur questions.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #141 on: February 16, 2018, 03:25:45 PM »
I dont think they understand that in order to get a live organ someone has to die as a result of removal of the organ. @ChaimMoskowitz deems death to occur when there is no brain activity. We, as Orthodox Jews do not hold that belief. Therefore, someone on life support, even with no brain activity is deemed living and removal of their organs is tantamount to killing that person.

It is that simple.

So the real difference in opinion between CM and us relates to the pulling the plug and when does death occur questions.

Yes, but i think we believe in that standard for him as well. It is only that it was already done (possibly by someone who does not believe in that standard) which makes the difference.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #142 on: February 16, 2018, 03:26:54 PM »
So the real difference in opinion between CM and us relates to the pulling the plug and when does death occur questions.
The difference is your religion or mine does not dictate the laws in this country. A person is legally dead based on our laws not religious views.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #143 on: February 16, 2018, 03:28:16 PM »
The difference is your religion or mine does not dictate the laws in this country. A person is legally dead based on our laws not religious views.
Legal death plays no role in our religious views, which is what dictates such things, like keeping one alive
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #144 on: February 16, 2018, 03:32:12 PM »
The difference is your religion or mine does not dictate the laws in this country. A person is legally dead based on our laws not religious views.
And the standard for issuance of a death certificate in every municipality in this country is still when the heart stops beating in that person. So you may be allowed to  pull the plug but before that plug is pulled there is no legal death.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #145 on: February 16, 2018, 03:32:22 PM »
 As an aside, by being an organ donor your death  becomes much more valuable to the medical field than your life. Ask icu personnel how/if this affects how they treat patients.

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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #146 on: February 16, 2018, 03:33:50 PM »
The difference is your religion or mine does not dictate the laws in this country. A person is legally dead based on our laws not religious views.
no one here was really discussing the legality of being a donor. rest assured youre not breaking any laws if you decide to become a donor. we on the other have to follow the law and the torah ( which is why if the law would change that you are required to become  a organ donor we would sue for the law that allows religious freedom)
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #147 on: February 16, 2018, 03:35:10 PM »
As an aside, by being an organ donor your death  becomes much more valuable to the medical field than your life. Ask icu personnel how/if this affects how they treat patients.
I doubt that ICU patients are the source of many organ donations.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #148 on: February 16, 2018, 03:37:50 PM »
no one here was really discussing the legality of being a donor. rest assured youre not breaking any laws if you decide to become a donor. we on the other have to follow the law and the torah ( which is why if the law would change that you are required to become  a organ donor we would sue for the law that allows religious freedom)
I am not talking about the legality of being a donor. If you can only use organs once a person is deceased then that is the issue. For being deceased do you go by religious law or the laws of the land? Are they one in the same?
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #149 on: February 16, 2018, 03:43:54 PM »
no one here was really discussing the legality of being a donor. rest assured youre not breaking any laws if you decide to become a donor. we on the other have to follow the law and the torah ( which is why if the law would change that you are required to become  a organ donor we would sue for the law that allows religious freedom)
And this is why I agree with @aygart for not wanting to take part in this discussion anymore.

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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #150 on: February 16, 2018, 03:49:40 PM »
I am not talking about the legality of being a donor. If you can only use organs once a person is deceased then that is the issue. For being deceased do you go by religious law or the laws of the land? Are they one in the same?
We can only harvest or allow to be harvested. We have no say in the matter of what those who do not follow Judaism do.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #151 on: February 16, 2018, 05:01:36 PM »
The difference is your religion or mine does not dictate the laws in this country. A person is legally dead based on our laws not religious views.
So if the government passes a law that women are allowed to have a abortion at any point of pregnancy even if itís against our religion or yours  (and every moral fiber in our body) we should do it because the government said itís ok?? (Disclaimer I donít read the politics thread and have no idea your ideology on this)

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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #152 on: February 16, 2018, 05:02:48 PM »
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #153 on: February 16, 2018, 05:06:54 PM »
So if the government passes a law that women are allowed to have a abortion at any point of pregnancy even if itís against our religion or yours  (and every moral fiber in our body) we should do it because the government said itís ok?? (Disclaimer I donít read the politics thread and have no idea your ideology on this)
I would personally be against it. Not sure what you asking me.
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