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Are You An Organ Donor?

Yes.
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Offline davidrotts63

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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #90 on: February 16, 2018, 11:22:45 AM »
Before I answer more questions you need a baseline for who, what, when, where for "organ donors". You guys are all over the place.

Since it is JJ's thread he needs to clarify "organ donor".

This whole topic was meant for organ donations after death.

2 issues, donating and accepting a donation.

A Jew would accept an organ from anyone with no halachic problems.

You said " If it is wrong to take the organ of a deceased person then it is wrong. " but we don't say it's wrong at all to accept.

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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #91 on: February 16, 2018, 11:29:04 AM »
Before I answer more questions you need a baseline for who, what, when, where for "organ donors". You guys are all over the place.

Since it is JJ's thread he needs to clarify "organ donor".

This whole topic was meant for organ donations after death.

2 issues, donating and accepting a donation.

A Jew would accept an organ from anyone with no halachic problems.

You said " If it is wrong to take the organ of a deceased person then it is wrong. " but we don't say it's wrong at all to accept.

This all has nothing to do with respecting the deceased. Harvesting organs requires a live donor. You as a non-jew don't consider someone who is brain dead alive. Therefore, you harvest their organs and then pull the plug after the organs are removed. Us as Jews do not believe that a brain dead patient is dead therefore we have no means of harvesting live usable organs. As we do not pull the plug from living patients.

As far as using tissue and retinas from dead patients that's the only instance that I can think of when one would be taking something from a dead patient and as far as that's concerned we do not carve up the Dead. It's not respectful.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #92 on: February 16, 2018, 11:35:57 AM »
As far as using tissue and retinas from dead patients that's the only instance that I can think of when one would be taking something from a dead patient and as far as that's concerned we do not carve up the Dead. It's not respectful.
So why not do it for a retina if it will help someone see, fwiu halahca regards blindness like death so it would be pekuach nefesh.

And what's the deal with these people? https://www.adi.gov.il/en/position-of-the-halacha/ are they not real halacha?
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #93 on: February 16, 2018, 11:38:37 AM »
So why not do it for a retina if it will help someone see, fwiu halahca regards blindness like death so it would be pekuach nefesh.
Not regarding pikuach nefesh IIRC but need to look it up again.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #94 on: February 16, 2018, 11:41:27 AM »
He already did
This whole topic was meant for organ donations after death.

2 issues, donating and accepting a donation.

A Jew would accept an organ from anyone with no halachic problems.

You said " If it is wrong to take the organ of a deceased person then it is wrong. " but we don't say it's wrong at all to accept.
Sorry I missed it. Lets see if I have it right.
Jews are not allowed to be an "organ donor" for anyone.
The only ones that are allowed to be an "organ donor" for Jews is a non-Jews.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #95 on: February 16, 2018, 11:42:30 AM »
Not regarding pikuach nefesh IIRC but need to look it up again.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #96 on: February 16, 2018, 11:43:22 AM »
Sorry I missed it. Lets see if I have it right.
Jews are not allowed to be an "organ donor" for anyone.
The only ones that are allowed to be an "organ donor" for Jews is a non-Jews.
Do I have this right?
No, you have been misled

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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #97 on: February 16, 2018, 11:44:24 AM »
Sorry I missed it. Lets see if I have it right.
Jews are not allowed to be an "organ donor" for anyone.
The only ones that are allowed to be an "organ donor" for Jews is a non-Jews.
Do I have this right?
I believe @aygart mplied that if a jew wrongfully does choose to donate you may accept it, CMIIW
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #98 on: February 16, 2018, 11:44:50 AM »
Sorry I missed it. Lets see if I have it right.
Jews are not allowed to be an "organ donor" for anyone.
The only ones that are allowed to be an "organ donor" for Jews is a non-Jews.
Do I have this right?
I do not think that Judaism would allow non-jews to be organ donors either but am not certain about that. If it is considered to be killing the donor when harvesting the organ I don't see how whether the donor is Jewish or not makes a difference.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #99 on: February 16, 2018, 11:46:10 AM »
Is a blind person not compared to the dead?
So is a poor person. That does not mean it is an absolute comparison. It is דומה comparable which does not mean equivalent.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #100 on: February 16, 2018, 11:46:21 AM »
I do not think that Judaism would allow non-jews to be organ donors either but am not certain about that. If it is considered to be killing the donor when harvesting the organ I don't see how whether the donor is Jewish or not makes a difference.
But again that would make accepting an organ from a non-Jew no different then from a jew, correct?
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #101 on: February 16, 2018, 11:49:39 AM »
I do not think that Judaism would allow non-jews to be organ donors either but am not certain about that. If it is considered to be killing the donor when harvesting the organ I don't see how whether the donor is Jewish or not makes a difference.
Now that makes sense. What others have said is not what you are saying.

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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #102 on: February 16, 2018, 11:49:56 AM »
But again that would make accepting an organ from a non-Jew no different then from a jew, correct?
if the organ is there reaady to be transplanted  it can obviously be used but the killing of the patient who gave it was still agains halacha
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #103 on: February 16, 2018, 11:50:38 AM »
Now that makes sense. What others have said is not what you are saying.

I can't answer ten different people that look at it ten different ways.
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Re: Are You An Organ Donor?
« Reply #104 on: February 16, 2018, 11:50:42 AM »
But again that would make accepting an organ from a non-Jew no different then from a jew, correct?
Correct.
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