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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #160 on: February 23, 2018, 12:32:51 PM »
I agree with 1 out of 3.
From your arguments, I think it's B. In what sense do you disagree with the others?
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #161 on: February 23, 2018, 12:34:06 PM »
If anyone doesn't know my opinion and is arguing just because, here it is.
A. Children need to have thicker skin
B. Schools need to be more aware, and listen to complaints.
C. Bullies need more love, and are mostly victims of something themselves.

A.Kids need to be taught to defend themselves verbally and physically. Kids need to be taught self esteem and learning that bullies words need not effect them. At the same time they need to understand it makes sense to feel bad when they are bullied, that no one would like that. Kids need to be taught to speak up for themselves.  To tell a parent and an adult. 
Kids need to feel like there is someone to talk to at school who will take care of the situation appropriately.

B. Schools need to do more to bring awareness to bullying. Schools need to focus more on teaching kids to have manners and respect one another. Schools need to promote kindness.

C. Schools need to deal with bullies, because letting a bully continue such behavior is NOT loving a bully. And yes bullies many times need more love. And sometimes they need more consequences.
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #162 on: February 23, 2018, 12:35:38 PM »
A.Kids need to be taught to defend themselves verbally and physically. Kids need to be taught self esteem and learning that bullies words need not effect them. At the same time they need to understand it makes sense to feel bad when they are bullied, that no one would like that. Kids need to be taught to speak up for themselves.  To tell a parent and an adult. 
Kids need to feel like there is someone to talk to at school who will take care of the situation appropriately.

B. Schools need to do more to bring awareness to bullying. Schools need to focus more on teaching kids to have manners and respect one another. Schools need to promote kindness.

C. Schools need to deal with bullies, because letting a bully continue such behavior is NOT loving a bully. And yes bullies many times need more love. And sometimes they need more consequences.
Glad we can agree. :)
One more thing, no labeling "bullies" and "victims"
In loving a bully, I didn't mean ignore it, I meant to raise his self esteem, so he doesn't need this.
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #163 on: February 23, 2018, 12:36:33 PM »
There is a limited understanding to everyone, if you are a parent of children 5-18 now, all you are missing a child's POV, but if you are not raising a child in everyone of those age groups, or you know from years back, you are missing a lot.
This sounds like a sick argument i heard from someone who suffered a tragedy and wouldnt go to therapy because he couldnt find a therapist who lived his exact story.  Therefore no one could understand him or ofder him therapy.
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #164 on: February 23, 2018, 12:37:59 PM »
This sounds like a sick argument i heard from someone who suffered a tragedy and wouldnt go to therapy because he couldnt find a therapist who lived his exact story.  Therefore no one could understand him or ofder him therapy.
That reinforces my argument, therapists are at there best hearing from the victims POV
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #165 on: February 23, 2018, 12:39:48 PM »
When we start saying words cause harm we create thin skinned people.
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #166 on: February 23, 2018, 12:42:23 PM »
From your arguments, I think it's B. In what sense do you disagree with the others?
We have a winner.
I don't believe in blaming the victim and "A" does that to some extent.
C - Sometimes bullies are just bullies to matter what the parent does.
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #167 on: February 23, 2018, 12:43:11 PM »
When we start saying words cause harm we create thin skinned people.
Words always caused harm. Some kids can pretend more like they don't care than others. And yes some kids have enough self esteem that they can't let things roll right off of them easier. And some kids can defend themselves better. 

No one likes being bullied.

I'm an adult. I wouldn't appreciate being yelled at or treated in a bad manner.

Hopefully I can use skills I've aquired to know my worth isn't dependent on certain individuals and how they treat me. Or use skills to defend myself or stand up for myself etc etc.
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #168 on: February 23, 2018, 12:47:18 PM »


We have a winner.
I don't believe in blaming the victim and "A" does that to some extent.
C - Sometimes bullies are just bullies to matter what the parent does.

We seem to agree.
A. Isn't blaming the victim, it's preventive.
For C. I'm not saying that's the only cause, just a way to help for those situations where it is.
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #169 on: February 23, 2018, 12:51:50 PM »
There is a limited understanding to everyone, if you are a parent of children 5-18 now, all you are missing a child's POV, but if you are not raising a child in everyone of those age groups, or you know from years back, you are missing a lot.
Pick an age group and I am raising a child there.
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #170 on: February 23, 2018, 12:53:21 PM »
Words always caused harm. Some kids can pretend more like they don't care than others. And yes some kids have enough self esteem that they can't let things roll right off of them easier. And some kids can defend themselves better. 

No one likes being bullied.

I'm an adult. I wouldn't appreciate being yelled at or treated in a bad manner.

Hopefully I can use skills I've aquired to know my worth isn't dependent on certain individuals and how they treat me. Or use skills to defend myself or stand up for myself etc etc.
Not appreciating being yelled at doesnt meant they cause harm. Calling someone a snowflake, for instance,  doesnt make them one.
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #171 on: February 23, 2018, 12:53:52 PM »
Pick an age group and I am raising a child there.
#MeToo
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #172 on: February 23, 2018, 12:53:56 PM »
Pick an age group and I am raising a child there.
Maybe I should get to know your kids, not you:)
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #173 on: February 23, 2018, 12:54:53 PM »
#MeToo
Pick an age group, and I've been that age within the last 20 years:)
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #174 on: February 23, 2018, 01:00:19 PM »
Pick an age group, and I've been that age within the last 20 years:)
Seems like you were orphaned and raised on DDF on  a good diet of likes and post counts.
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #175 on: February 23, 2018, 01:01:12 PM »
ive been yelled at in ways I cried, but irm sensitive.. even though im a badass mofo and rule the popcorn threads!! I am your popcorn king.. bow!

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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #176 on: February 23, 2018, 01:07:20 PM »
Not appreciating being yelled at doesnt meant they cause harm. Calling someone a snowflake, for instance,  doesnt make them one.

Being yelled at causes harm. Being yelled at constantly...causes harm.

Will one necessary feel the need to commit suicide? No. But there is no question in causes harm.
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #177 on: February 23, 2018, 01:07:24 PM »
Pick an age group, and I've been that age within the last 20 years:)
People under age 17 (80% of DDF)
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Re: BDE 11 year old frum boy commits suicide
« Reply #179 on: February 23, 2018, 01:09:48 PM »
Seems like you were orphaned and raised on DDF on  a good diet of likes and post counts.
If I was raised here I'd be so (much more) f***ed up
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