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chevron · « **on:** February 25, 2018, 12:00:31 PM »

https://www.ou.org/torah/nach/a-journey-through-nach/introduction-trei-asar/

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Chaggai was one of the last prophets; he was on the Beis Din of Ezra and was a member of the anshei kenesses hagdolah. Thus, he prophesied during a period after the destruction of the first Beis Hamikdash, when the people were in Bavel. He was a student of either Yechezkel or Baruch ben Neriah, and was a prophet in the days of Daryavesh, king of Persia.

ok, but...

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According to the Rambam, Chaggai lived until the destruction of the second Beis Hamikdash.

He would have been 500+

TimT · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:04:54 PM »

Please change title to “Torah verses that I don’t understand”

hvaces42 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:05:53 PM »

I was taught and i believe it proper, that your title should read, things in the Torah I don't understand.

hvaces42 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:06:48 PM »

Quote from: TimT on February 25, 2018, 12:04:54 PM

Please change title to “Torah verses that I don’t understand”

Beat me to it

chevron · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:09:39 PM »

Quote from: TimT on February 25, 2018, 12:04:54 PM

Please change title to “Torah verses that I don’t understand”

That would be relevant to something I dont understand, this doesnt make sense.. but go ahead and enlighten me

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:11:57 PM »

Subscribing.

aygart · « **Reply #6 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:12:20 PM »

What part of it doesn't make sense?

chevron · « **Reply #7 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:18:22 PM »

Quote from: hvaces42 on February 25, 2018, 12:05:53 PM

I was taught and i believe it proper, that your title should read, things in the Torah I don't understand.

Stop trying to beat me in to the ground. The trey asar are not organized in chronological order for reasons. Chazal give reasons to everything.. and there are hundreds of opinions regarding everything.

That Navi Chaggai lived till the end of the second temple makes no sense. Daryavesh was 500 BCE. The churban was 70 CE. So that would make Chaggai 600

chevron · « **Reply #8 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:21:12 PM »

Quote from: aygart on February 25, 2018, 12:12:20 PM

What part of it doesn't make sense?

A few things. The longevity. Also why would he have lost his nevua? why is he not mentioned at all in the 2nd temple period ? If he was a talmud of baruch ben neriyah he was the chain of mesorah from moshe at sinai thus would have played an active role

hvaces42 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:21:31 PM »

Quote from: chevron on February 25, 2018, 12:09:39 PM

That would be relevant to something I dont understand, this doesnt make sense.. but go ahead and enlighten me

The difference between not understanding and something not making sense as it relates to Torah is the belief that the text is infallibly correct.

chevron · « **Reply #10 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:24:13 PM »

Quote from: hvaces42 on February 25, 2018, 12:21:31 PM

The difference between not understanding and something not making sense as it relates to Torah is the belief that the text is infallibly correct.

So find me an answer

Boruch999 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:25:26 PM »

Quote from: chevron on February 25, 2018, 12:24:13 PM

So find me an answer

To what question?

hvaces42 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:25:37 PM »

And you cite to Rambam. Like everything he says, its his opinion. I'd be quicker to argue with Rambam then say something in Torah doesnt make sense.

aygart · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:31:54 PM »

Quote from: chevron on February 25, 2018, 12:21:12 PM

A few things. The longevity. Also why would he have lost his nevua? why is he not mentioned at all in the 2nd temple period ? If he was a talmud of baruch ben neriyah he was the chain of mesorah from moshe at sinai thus would have played an active role

The only question about longevity is why. Nevua is not only based on the individual but on the generation as a whole. There are those who connect it to the weakening of the yetzer hora for avoda zara. Now would you have expected him to have been mentioned?

hvaces42 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:33:00 PM »

Quote from: Boruch999 on February 25, 2018, 12:25:26 PM

To what question?

I believe the question is how do we reconcile Rambam's opinion with the text that would indicate that Chaggai lived at the time of the first Beis Hamikdash. That is not a problem with the text that "doesn't make sense". That is a problem i reconciling one opinion with the text.

cmey · « **Reply #15 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:33:07 PM »

No need to quote random web sites. Learn the authentic source- the mishna in yevamos Perek 1 mishna 5 and the meforshim and writings of the Jewish historians and you will see that this is dependent on how one understands the quote in the mishna, and is the subject of considerable discussion among the meforshim...

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 25, 2018, 12:49:57 PM »

This thread is a living example of why yeshus is compared to A"Z.

chevron · « **Reply #17 on:** February 25, 2018, 01:04:34 PM »

Quote from: cmey on February 25, 2018, 12:33:07 PM

No need to quote random web sites. Learn the authentic source- the mishna in yevamos Perek 1 mishna 5 and the meforshim and writings of the Jewish historians and you will see that this is dependent on how one understands the quote in the mishna, and is the subject of considerable discussion among the meforshim...

No need to throw out abstract sources, write a cohesive summery

yakov116 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 25, 2018, 01:10:09 PM »

I am disgusted with the title of this thread. @chevron do you believe in the 13 Ikrim?

chevron · « **Reply #19 on:** February 25, 2018, 01:16:01 PM »

Quote from: yakov116 on February 25, 2018, 01:10:09 PM

I am disgusted with the title of this thread. @chevron do you believe in the 13 Ikrim?

Either you can't read or I can't write.. I didn't say stuff in the Torah, I said Torah stuff... Shall we amend it to Judaic commentaries that don't make sense?

I believe in god and that the Torah was redcived by Moshe from god at har Sinai. I also believe that Judaism demands questions and queries.

The inability to question Judaism and the Torah and demand explanations is a lack of faith... Faith is where I still believe even when I don't get the answers.

That, has nothing to do with my question on the rambam.